Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9442367" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Yes, I do.  further more you included the action attacks when you talked about the impact of HM AND you included a bonus action attack which you don't even get when you cast the spell or generally about half the turns you are concentrating on it.The HM bonus is largely redundant with the only weapon mastery you can use with dexterity weapons and the light property.Is that better for youActually IMO I would like a choice of spells to choose to get free castings of and to buff, like there is with the Fighting Style Feats, and the weapon masteries.  Then let me change which spell the ability is based on during level up.That would be good class design and guys like you could still get all those Hunter's Mark buffs.And given other spell options (and subclass abilities) it is not going to be relevant and helpful very much at high level .... but you are still getting all these class abilities focused on it.  I think you are finally starting to get it, you are almost there.    <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="👏" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f44f.png" title="Clapping hands    :clap:" data-shortname=":clap:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />   Not exactly right so I will say it again so you understand completely before your next post:The problem is having 4 class abilities tied to Hunter's Mark and you are forced to either use Hunter's Mark or get nothing out of those four abilities.I think you will understand it completely by the next time you post..  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> It wouldn't be useful because you would get no damage out of your Hunter's Mark.  Most of the time it will be a waste to cast it that turn and have no mechanical advantage.This is complete nonsense. You have a ton of options with Hand Crossbows.  The new rules are far more permissive for using hand crossbows and you can dual wield them as easily as a Shortsword.The 4d6+20 build you are talking about above would use hand crossbows and a Scimitar!With the new rules you have a ton of options with most builds.If they are using Hunter's Mark they are playing a spellcasting Ranger.If they are not casting Hunter's Mark then most of your commentary on Hunter's Mark is not relevant.Who is bitter?I am not "modifying" the characters.I am converting those characters to 2024 and comparing what they had then and what they have now. I am using actual characters and applying the 2024 rules to those characters and giving up the lost 2014/TCE rules .... because you know that is what this post was supposed to be about.While I am at it though, I found another example of bad design - Based on early wording of the new Ranger the expertise from Deft explorer only applies to skills you get from the Ranger list, so no getting it on abilities you get from your background, the skilled feat or your species.  So yeah those two characters would have also had to give up expertise in Persuasion and Deception respectively due to the new Ranger class.Yet another example of bad class design!One of the examples I used was a Rogue/Ranger (one level Rogue dip). A lot of people don't use Hunter's Mark though.  So while every single character I have ever played in D&D is unique, the idea of not using Hunter's Mark is not unique and others posted on this board about that being a problem when it was first published about two months ago.Also I will point out, while my exact characters were unique, plenty of people play Wisdom first Rangers and several Ranger subclasses are built around this paradigm (Fey Wanderer being one of them).  The Fey Wanderer subclass is designed to spam Summon Fey at high level.  That is what Beguiling Twist and Fey Reinforcements subclass abilities are centered around and it is not just me that plays that subclass that way.  Everyone I have seen play at high level plays it that way.You claim very few Rangers play that way, I think you believe that because you have seen very few Fey Wanderers, Drakewardens or Horizon Walkers in play at high levels.   FW and HWs are constantly casting at high levels and Drakewardens are spamming dragon attacks with their bonus action and I have never seen one of those that played at high level and used Hunters Mark-Attack as a regular action ... (or at low level for HWs and DWs).If you believe that the only way Rangers play is to attack all the time with a free bonus action, I suspect that is because you have not seen people play those subclasses and if that is the case you really can't claim to have a grasp of how people play Rangers in general.There is nothingh highly specific about those builds.  Those subclasses are DESIGNED to do things other than using Hunter's Mark.Ok I've said this several times on this thread.  Have different spell options and allow you to change at level up (or maybe with a Long RestIf you are going to use spells offer different options to use.  For example instead of Hunter's Mark I could pick fog cloud:level 1: you get 1 free casting of fog cloud, when you cast fog cloud you can see through it and in it.Level 13: damage can not break concentration on fog cloudLevel 17:  You get advantage attacking enemies inside your fog cloud even if they can see you.Level 20:  You get +1d10 damage to enemies inside your Fog Cloud.or Maybe you could pick Cure Wounds:Level 1:  You get 2 free castings of Cure Wounds.LEvel 13:  When you cast Cure Wounds you get 20 temporary hit points.Level 17:  When you cast Cure Wounds the creature you target has resistance to all damage for a roundLevel 20: When you cast Cure Wounds the creature you cast it on is also cured of all paralyzation, poison and disease.Or maybe I could pick entangle:Level 1: You get 2 free casts of entangle a dayLevel 13:  Cretures in the area of your entangle spell must make a save at the end of every turn they are in the AOE or they become restrained.Level 17: You can move the AOE of the entanglement 20 feet at the start of your turnLevel 20:  Creatures restrained by a spell you cast take an additional 1d10 damage at the end of their turn.Those just three quick examples, but there are many more.That is not true.  I have proposed another design several times on this thread alone, one where it gives you a choice of 1st level spells to get buffs on.That way you could blend you knowIt is a weak 1st level spell.  It is nowhere near as good as the best 1st level spells.  It has a long duration and it is a bonus action to cast, but other than that it is mechanically weak, even compared to 2014 spells.Spells like Shield, Bless, Cause Fear, THL, sleep (old one at low levels, new one all the time), Bless, Wrathful Smite, Ray of Sickness (new), Healing Word, Dissonant Whispers ....  Those are all good, strong 1st level spells.  Hunter's Mark is not.  Additionally hunter's mark does not upcast wellThat part is not opinion.  It is fact that putting four class abilities that rely on a single spell that requires concentration ispoor class design.</blockquote>

Verification