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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9443100" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Okay, so at level 17 the ranger takes a long rest, and changes to using a different mastery. Or they never use Hunter's Mark like you claim and they keep Vex. Either way this is only an issue if you insist that both of your weapons must have a different mastery when dual-wielding, and that you absolutely do not want to have a mastery with one weapon, then another different mastery for when you are going for range. Which is what I have done so far for every single character I've built.You can believe falsehoods all you like.You really have a bizarrely narrow focus on a Ranger who is only high level. What if my Ranger is not high level, say level 10, and I'm a Longbow ranger, and I use my action to cast a spell like Conjure Barrage... what is the Bonus action I could use that turn? I can't cast any spell that would use a spell slot. I have no bonus action attacks. If I'm a hunter, gloomstalker or fey wanderer I don't have any subclass features with a bonus action. So... yeah. I'm presenting this as a situation that is likely to occur, where I open with a big AOE spell that the ranger has on their list, and since they aren't attacking (and therefore can't dual-wield) or aren't a dual-wielder (and therefore likely don't have a bonus action attack) they could set up Hunter's Mark. And frankly, I don't see this even changing at level 17 when they instead cast Conjure Volley, but are still a a bow-wielding ranger.Yes, and other light weapons with the Vex property don't work with Crossbow Expert. You continually are misunderstanding what I am saying, and all you are doing is repeating back to me my own words.So if you are attacking with weapons, like most rangers do, then it is actually a pretty decent spell.Which highlights that your only real issue with it is Hunter's Mark. Because if you could swap it to Entangle, then you would be perfectly happy with the design.No it isn't. It is 3 out of 10.Except most of those spells would still have concentration. Most of them are also an action, meaning that you won't be able to attack the same turn, if losing a single bonus action attack would be devastating to Hunter's Mark, how is losing all three to four attacks not even more detrimental? I could go back and find all your complaints about why Hunter's Mark is bad compared to casting something like Summon Fey, and they all apply to all these other 1st level spells.So if you could avoid Hunter's Mark then it taking concentration and an action would no longer be part of the bad design? Losing a single Bonus action attack is worse design than losing three attacks including the action and bonus action?</blockquote>

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