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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jekessler" data-source="post: 3541371" data-attributes="member: 43061">I originally posted this question to rpg.net, but I was getting a lot of 3.5 specific suggestions, and wanted to expand my search anyway.I need some help picking optimal spells to live with for a couple of levels.First, some background:So, I've been in a VERY non-standard D&D campaign for a few years, and the group is starting up a monthly side-game that is (mostly) straight 3.0, set in Greyhawk just before the time of the Wars.We've got a druid, a monk from the future (don't ask, I don't understand it, but it's a 'story' thing), and twin dwarven fighters (barbarians, supposedly, though one is less barbarian-y than the other).And me. Since I like playing spellcasters, I went for a sorcerer (since the DM suggested that would be good for the 'story' since in his Greyhawk, sorcerers are just now appearing). Given that we didn't have a thief, and I wanted to get a better HP count and skills to start with, the DM allowed me to use the DMG apprentice rules to whip up a rogue/sorcerer at first level. That way we could have some low level rogue skills to tide us over until I could pick up Knock and the like.Unfortunately I missed our first session, but as such, I get to still tweak my character a little, since I haven't played.Which is good, since we have a new player joining us (and we are all 2nd level now, thanks to some DM fiat, so I got to do the full Rogue/Sorcerer), and he's decided to play a wizard.So, I don't have to be the primary spellcaster anymore (but I have no desire to play a non-spellcaster at this point), and I need to re-evaluate my choice of spells and future path.The rules:Our DM is pretty much sticking to the 3.0 Corebooks, but is allowing some spells from the Relics & Rituals series, and Feats out of Tome & Blood (and Prestige classes, for that matter) with approval.As the primary spellcaster I was planning to eventually pick up Mage of the Arcane Order from T&B, which would force some sucky Feat choices, but would make it up for variety of spells not available as a sorcerer.Back then I was planning to take the following spells:0-level: Resistance, Detect magic, Read Magic, Filch (Relics & Ritualsspell to cause diminuative items to pop into my waiting palm <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile    :-)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" />1-level: Magic Missile, ShieldBut now, I'm thinking I should go more the rogue route, to benefit the party (besides, this is GREYHAWK!), and eventually pick up Arcane Trickster. To do so at the earliest possible moment (more in a minute), I should swap out one of my 0-levels for Mage Hand.As a 3.0 game, whatever Sorcerer spell I choose, I have to stick with. No swaping at higher levels like in 3.5. :-(But on the plus side, the DM is allowing me to get more bang out of my bonus spells, which at CHA 17, is not too shabby.I get to use them for spells I couldn't normally cast due to Metamagic effects, or I can convert them downward a level on a two-to-one basis (so my bonus 2nd level, becomes two first level slots).Because of this, I should be able to qualify for Arcane Trickster at Level 5, if I pick up the appropriate metamagic Feat at 3rd level (Heighten, so I can cast an effective Third level spell).But that means I will be casting these 6 spells I choose for the next 3 levels as I go up to Rogue 3, in addition to not being able to ditch them later on.I've tweaked the list a bit since getting some advice on the other forum, and here is my current thinking:0-level: Ray of Frost, Read Magic (for scrolls my wizard friend willwrite, I hope), Filch, Mage Hand1-level: Unseen Servant, Silent ImageI swapped out Magic Missile and Resistance reluctantly when it was pointed out I couldn't use Sneak Attack with MM, and needed something like a Ray spell to do so.Unseen Servant was pointed out as being incredibly versatile, and as a Sorcerer with some bonus spells to play with, I could call a couple of instances into being and have them work in concert.Silent Image I'm less set on, except that I know I want spells I can tweak when I use them to fit the situation.  Any suggestions otherwise? Or advice for other builds than Arcane Trickster?Reply With Quote</blockquote>

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