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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bran Blackbyrd" data-source="post: 1284461" data-attributes="member: 1710">Addressing the first question; The key here is that I never said that I thought anyone involved with the movie ever did work for D&D. You seemed to think that I had.As to what my point is; My main point is that I don't think that the current D&D orcs are in any way a rip-off, homage, copy, etc. of the orcs depicted in the recent LoTR films. Also, I think that any debate on who ripped off or copied who is a fruitless endeavor. Even sillier than the usual arguments of how much of D&D should have a JRRT trademark on it is the notion that orcs in 3.5 have suddenly changed to match the movies' depiction of orcs, when in fact they look the same as they did in 3.0.</blockquote>