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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zander" data-source="post: 1284990" data-attributes="member: 1364">The other illustration by Frazzetta, which unfortunately I can't find online, is exactly the same as some of the orc minis produced by Citadel (part of GW) in the early 1980's. If, like me, you have GW orc minis from that time to the present, you can clearly trace the inspiration from Frazzetta to today's orcs by GW. Even if you don't have the minis, it shouldn't be that hard to imagine: both have sharp, jutting teeth, prominent nostrils, small eyes, heavy foreheads, a stooping posture and muscular physiques.GW orcs are certainly more cartoonish, but are otherwise quite similar. When Lurtz is 'born' in the TTT, you can clearly see his sharp, jutting teeth, prominent nostrils, small eyes, heavy forehead, muscular physique and larger-than-human size. I believe he even has pointed ears (though I could be mistaken about that). True, Lurtz doesn't stoop like a GW orc or have overly long arms and short legs, but the similarities are apparent nonetheless. The goblin waurg-rider who taunts Legolas about Aragorn's fall from the cliff in TTT (which is one of the goblins you see best in the film) looks extremely similar to some of the plastic goblin wolf-riders produced by GW complete with large nose and bald head.  Please re-read my post. I clearly stated that the last paragraph was just my personal view of how orcs and goblins look like. I never claimed, here or anywhere else, that D&D orcs are described as green-skinned, nor have I ever said that D&D goblins look like GW ones. By all means disagree with me, but please don't put words in my mouth.</blockquote>

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