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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgbrowning" data-source="post: 655928" data-attributes="member: 5724">hrm, never run higher groups than 14th so the below may be just a pile of poo poo.wouldn't Mr. fiend round 1. quickened mass hold monster, grapple cleric.  round 2. quickened mass hold monster, hopfully coup de grace cleric?rinse and repeat?and if you face 2 Mr. fiends wouldn't the two quickened mass hold monsters a round eventually get your group of 4 PCs?why would he ever use damaging spells when he can mass hold monster?  he can just teleport about, (staying out of the reach of dimensional anchor), and just keep mass hold monstering?I assume im missing somethin here....joe b.</blockquote>