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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 663743" data-attributes="member: 3146">Highly optimized? It's hard to get more optimized for this situation than that without using a noncore race to get starting int 20. The rules shouldn't be balanced around the assumption that every character will have maximum possible stats and optimal feats.I only see maybe a 25% chane of the encounter being over in one round. Quickened polymorph other doesn't do much to the pit fiend. All of his spell like abilities still work. So he can still Quickened Unholy Aura (or Quickened polymorph self) and meteor swarm.The only thing Polymorph other will do is reduce his insane natural armor bonusses and stats so that the fighters can reliably hit him until he polymorphs into something else on the next round.Holy Word isn't likely to do much to the pit fiend. It still has to beat SR. Even assuming that the cleric has Greater Spell Penetration (hardly an obvious feat choice for most clerics), he would still get at best a 45% chance of sending the fiend away. It's better than disintegrate in this case but not by much.Forbiddance--aren't we assuming that the cleric has the multiple thousands of gp worth of material components for this spell and that the pit fiend both fails his spell resistance and fails his save. It's unlikely to be an effective solution to a pit-fiend sized problem. Even if it automatically prevents the pit fiend from teleporting in on top of them it doesn't do anything to keep the pit fiend from teleporting in 50 yards away and walking over to them (well it might if there were much chance the pit fiend would fail his save and the forbiddance would get past the fiend's SR but there isn't much chance of that).I think you're seriously underestimating the fiend. Anyway, all of your arguments could still be used to justify a +10/+5 AB, 1d8+8 damage, AC 30, 30 HP 2 HD creature with +10/+10/+10 saves being CR 1. The first level optimized illusionist or enchanter has more chance of taking him out in round 1 than your optimized transmuter has of taking the 3.5e pit fiend out in round 1.</blockquote>

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