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Message: <blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 5266659" data-attributes="member: 59506">I agree, that's why I like front loading also. IMO, Pathfinder, 4E, and Trailblazer all got this right. In my houserules (I loosely call it houserules, in actuality I'm practically re-writing the PHB<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/blush.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":blush:" title="Blush    :blush:" data-shortname=":blush:" />) I want to start in the sweet spot and stay in the sweet spot (kind of like a front loaded E6 or E10 game).<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  I probably wasn't clear about that part, I don't like 3E at 1st level. For me, the sweet spot started about 3rd to 5th, and went up to 10th. I want to stay between those points.  Oh yeah...most definitely. Although, I hope nobody takes my description as being negative*. (*I don't think you are Bryon, just saying it for those who may have taken it that way.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />) That's just the feel it gives me. If the feel of Pathfinder, or any other game, works for you, then don't listen to me or anyone else. RPG enjoyment is a 100% subjective thing. Don't let anyone's opinion of a game change yours. Play what you like, and like what you play.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  I think Pathfinder, as well as 4E, can make any style game. They may be more hardwired for certain styles of games, but they can still be used. With some tweaking, I think you can make a game do anything you want. I'm just making my rules hardwired for the type of game I want. Once it's done, I'll never have to search or adapt again.<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/glasses.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt="B-)" title="Glasses    B-)" data-shortname="B-)" />  Of course though, I'll still play in any game, regardless of system...if it's a good group with good people.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

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