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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James McMurray" data-source="post: 4613555" data-attributes="member: 743">50 - 55% is good. It forces you to think. Any lower than that and the rare nature of bonuses in 4e makes it too hard to reliably hit your enemy. Any higher and you get back to a situation where standing toe-to-toe with an enemy and trading blows is a good idea and the standard tactic. In our epic game there's a strata of players. <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">We have one guy who tends to eke out every last bit of juice he can, and he hits almost every time for tons of damage (currently playing a dragonborn barbarian / iron vanguard).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Another tends to squeeze as much as he can, then pull back a little. He also hits a lot and does a lot of damage (human warlock / radiant one).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">We have one guy who grabs what he thinks will be fun and mostly ignores the math. His eladrin artificer misses a lot, and doesn't do major damage when he hits (unless it's with a high end daily).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The other two are fairly average. They pick fun and powerful effects, but don't pour through the books maximizing their to-hit and damage. They hit fairly often, especially when working as a team to get combat advantage or other plusses.</li> </ul>The only thing I don't like in that list is the eladrin's chances of success. He's doubly hampered by not focusing on a single aspect of his class (ranged weapons and implement), but that's somewhat forced on him by the nature of the playtest artificer. Apart from giving him the lion's share of gear, I'm not sure what could fix that though. Any change to the underlying math will give him a minor boost but pump two other PCs almost all the way into Can't Miss City.The cleric's player recently changed to resourceful and tactical warlord / infernal strategist, and the to-hit chances have rocketed. We've only had one session with the new build, and the artificer wasn't there, so it remains to be seen if it'll help enough.On the plus side, the Artificer is always last on the "Who should I dominate" list. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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