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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 6397006" data-attributes="member: 71571">Holy necro batman!  I forgot all about this.  Dust off my 4e rules judgery, decyphering what I said.... okay.I agree.  When a power gives you a power, using that new power is considered 'using a power.'  If that power has foo keyword, it would be using a foo keyword.However, we're not talking about a power that gives you a power.  We're talking about Thunder Hawk Rage, a barbarian power that has a secondary attack.  Secondary attacks are not powers.  They're secondary attacks.Warden's dailies often give you powers that you can use.  Using the attacks those powers give you would be considered 'using a power.'  Thunder Hawk Rage does not give you a power, and therefore there is no 'power to use' when you activate its secondary attack.To verify this--notice that the descriptions for Warden dailies include a -power description- that the daily gives you as part of its effect.  It even says you can use these -powers-.  In contrast, Thunder Hawk Rage simply says 'Secondary Attack'.  I agree.  However, we're not discussing this fictitious power-giving-rage power in this example.  We're discussing a power with a Secondary Attack.  Secondary Attacks are NOT powers.If there's an example of a secondary rage power, we can discuss that.  If all we have is a rage power with a secondary attack, then we have a completely different and shorter discussion.  'No, it's not using a power, so no, it does not work.'If you have an ability that triggers off Rage Attacks, on the other hand, totally works.</blockquote>

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