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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 6413642" data-attributes="member: 71571"><p>Prove it. Find the errata'd version of that power, and show the MRP of that power, including the power block that it uses, with its keywords. You keep saying it's a power, and the only way to settle it is to show the printing of that power. Someone else did in this thread, and instead it shows as an effect--a secondary attack from the original power use. </p><p></p><p>You're almost right--attacks are the EFFECTS of using a power. A power's effects are not restricted to a single round, however. You're right--that attack IS the result of using that power. But the power was used in a previous round--you're now using an action the power gives you to use the attack the power gives you. You're not using some other power or a new power unless the effect is to grant you access to a new power.</p><p></p><p>That's why I said to contrast to the Warden's forms, because they are templated exactly to work the way you think this power is--they ARE daily powers that give you access to a secondary power--but notice how those powers have their own statblock, their own keywords, and using those are distinct powers.</p><p></p><p>Barbarian rage powers, however, do not follow that template.</p><p></p><p>But as I said--you claim this power is now granting a secondary power. Show me. Copy that power in here, and show me the Rage keyword on that power.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 6413642, member: 71571"] Prove it. Find the errata'd version of that power, and show the MRP of that power, including the power block that it uses, with its keywords. You keep saying it's a power, and the only way to settle it is to show the printing of that power. Someone else did in this thread, and instead it shows as an effect--a secondary attack from the original power use. You're almost right--attacks are the EFFECTS of using a power. A power's effects are not restricted to a single round, however. You're right--that attack IS the result of using that power. But the power was used in a previous round--you're now using an action the power gives you to use the attack the power gives you. You're not using some other power or a new power unless the effect is to grant you access to a new power. That's why I said to contrast to the Warden's forms, because they are templated exactly to work the way you think this power is--they ARE daily powers that give you access to a secondary power--but notice how those powers have their own statblock, their own keywords, and using those are distinct powers. Barbarian rage powers, however, do not follow that template. But as I said--you claim this power is now granting a secondary power. Show me. Copy that power in here, and show me the Rage keyword on that power. [/QUOTE]
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