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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 6414234" data-attributes="member: 71571">In other cases, there's differences to contrast why they are different.  I pointed out Warden abilities, and I pointed out powers that grant secondary attacks.  I'm trying to get a solid argument from you why Rageblood would act as the former and not the latter, even tho it is templated and written as the latter, and has never been errata'd otherwise.  So far the only points you've made is that some powers have been retemplated [which may or may not apply to this power] and that this power doesn't do it all in one action [which isn't actually relevant to my argument] and that every action has to have some rule supporting being allowed to use it [which the power already does]However, there is a difference between an attack, and a power.  Attacks are effects, and powers are one means to cause effects.  They are not the same thing in any iteration of the fourth edition rules, which is why your argument doesn't work that they should be.  Now, it is true that most attacks are the effects of powers, but that's the same as saying that most power bonuses are the effects of powers.  Does that mean that a power bonus that you use on consecutive rounds is consecutive using of a power?  Of course not.  That's rediculous.Using a Power refers explicitly to the activation of a power.  Subsequent effects of that power are not activating that power, but simply using existing effects of a power you've already used.  The only exception to this is when that power grants you another power as its effect, and I urge you to look at Warden Dailies to see exactly what that means and how that works.  They're usually written like "Effect:  You can use the foo power until the end of the encounter  [Full Power Description Including Keywords]" and not "Effect:  You can use the following attack while under the effects of this power //  Secondary Attack:  Strength vs Ac...."One difference:  You spoke of keyword inheritance for attacks and effects of a power.  Secondary powers do not inherit keywords, but rather have their own keywords that can be the same or different than the parent power.</blockquote>

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