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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ClaytonCross" data-source="post: 7146608" data-attributes="member: 6880599">So Just playing around.Limiting builds to Point buy so they don't require crazy starting rolls, basic day 1 character that you would show up with built with in the rules. So no 1,500gp platemail or magic items...etc.  Also, I separated them by conditional situations to allow for more build fun and because maybe someone would argue static > a single use concentration but that does make the single use spell AC wrong.Can anyone improve on these?Static Max ACWarforged Fighter or Forge Cleric---Chain mail = AC16---Shield bonus +2 AC---Integrated Protection +1 AC---Defensive Fighting style +1 AC / Blessing of the Forge +1 ACTotal AC 20 (max AC without a feat)Human Variant Fighter or Forge Cleric---Scale Mail = 14AC (+2 Max Dex Bonus)---Human Variant Feat: Medium Armor Master - 14AC (+3 Max Dex Bonus)---16 Dex +3 AC---Shield bonus +2 AC---Defensive Fighting style +1 AC / Blessing of the Forge +1 ACTotal AC 20Single fight Max AC (using a concentration spell)Warforged Forge Cleric---Chain mail = AC16---Shield bonus +2 AC---Integrated Protection +1 AC---Blessing of the Forge +1 AC---Shield of Faith spell +2Total AC 22 (max AC without a feat)Human Variant Forge Cleric---Scale Mail = 14AC (+2 Max Dex Bonus)---Human Variant Feat: Medium Armor Master - 14AC (+3 Max Dex Bonus)---16 Dex +3 AC---Shield bonus +2 AC---Blessing of the Forge +1 AC---Shield of Faith spell +2Total AC 22Single Combat round Max ACHuman Variant Forge Cleric---Chain mail = AC16---Shield +2---Blessing of the Forge +1---Shield of Faith spell +2 (concentration)---Magic initiate: Sorcerer or Wizard for Shield +5Total AC 26--If we assume all attacks hit low AC early game enemies and not counting random critical hits.--(Why? Because otherwise we get into "what if" arguments about moving numbers and changing scenarios that will support the agreement of the person making it)No reactions (because the setup is not player controlled)No AC8 or AC19 (if you hit AC no longer matters)No who does what first (because in a real game that is fluid)No limiting damage to the HP max of a specific enemy (because we are not comparing enemies but Player characters and enemies will very from game to game)Just raw damage (which is why I did a range and an average)That just cuts down on arguments. No it is not 100% accurate to a game but their is no accounting for Player rolls or GM tactics and NPC choices.Also, getting a DPR adjusted by % to hit that gives you a damage less than the minimum is not accurate. In a really game you miss and do 0 or you hit and do at least the minimum. 0 is the same for everyone so I am just looking at what happens when you hit.Static Max DPR MeleeHuman Variant Barbarian (Possible AC15)---Great Sword (2d6 + str)---16 Str (2d6 + 3)---Human Variant Feat: Great Weapon Master +10 (2d6 + 13)---Rage +2 (2d6 + 15)DPR Range 17-27DPR Average: 22Static Max DPR ranged weaponHuman Variant Rogue (Possible AC16)---Heavy Crossbow (1d10 + dex)---16 dex (1d10 + 3)---Human Variant Feat: Sharpshooter +10 (1d10 + 13)---Sneak Attack* 1d6 (1d10 + 13 +1d6)DPR Range 11 - 29DPR Average: 22*While sneak attack is conditional it is an unlimited and easily arrangeable in a standard party so I will consider it static under the assumption that the rogue uses "I hold my action to attack the first enemy I can see who gets within 5ft of an ally without some difficulty of hitting them that would give me disadvantage on the attack"Max single round damage from a single target spell Inflict Wounds 3d10 Necrotic (Cleric, Divine Soul Sorcerer)DPR Range 3 - 30DPR Average: 16.5Max single round damage from an AoE spell vs 2 targetsBurning Hands 3d6 Fire x2 (Wizard, Sorcerer, Light Domain Cleric, Fiend Patron Warlock)DPR Range 6 - 36DPR Average: 21Single Fight Max Melee DPR (Limited Repeatable x3)Human Variant War Cleric (Possible AC16)---Great Sword (2d6 + str)---16 Str (2d6 + 3)---Human Variant Feat: Great Weapon Master +10 (2d6 + 13)---War Prist Bonus Action (2d6 + 13)(2d6 + 13)---War Domain 1st level Spell: divine favor +1d4 (2d6 + 1d4 + 13)(2d6 + 1d4 + 13)DPR Range 32 - 58DPR Average: 45Multiple Fight Max Melee DPR(using a concentration spell, Limited Repeatable)Human Variant/custom Warlock (any patron)---Great Sword (2d6 + str)---16 Str (2d6 + 3)---Human Variant Feat: Great Weapon Master +10 (2d6 + 13)---Hex +1d6 (2d6 + 1d6 + 13)Range (16-31)Average 23.5Honorable mention - its actually the same average, higher minimum, and only one lower maxHuman Variant Forge Domain---Great Sword (2d6 + str)---16 Str (2d6 + 3)---Human Variant Feat: Great Weapon Master +10 (2d6 + 13)---Blessing of the Forge +1 Damage (2d6 + 14)---War Domain 1st level Spell: divine favor +1d4 (2d6 + 1d4 + 14)Range (17-30)Average 23.5Single Fight Max Melee DPR (using a concentration spell)Human Variant Rogue (Possible AC15)---Shortsword Light/Finesse (1d6 + dex)---Shortsword Light/Finesse - off hand (1d6 + dex)(1d6) or (2d6 + dex)---16 Dex (2d6 + 3)---Human Variant Feat: Magic Initiate, Warlock, Hex (4d6 + 3)---Sneak Attack (5d6 + 3)DPR Range 8 - 33 DPR Average: 20.5---------------------High AC / High single 1 handed weapon DPR Balance  build Honorable mention-----These builds have a high AC of 19 a high Max damage of 30 and without the negative to hit of great weapon master and a higher die second attack than Polearm master results in a higher average Damage Per Round that is actually above its minimum damage making it perhaps the most solid all around build I know of for actual play.No feats and standard ArrayWarforged War Cleric STR 16, DEX 12, CON 15, WIZ 14, INT10, CHA8 HP:10---Chain mail AC16, Shield +2, and Integrated Protection +1= AC19---Longsword (1d8 + str)---War Priest Bonus Action (1d8 + 3)(1d8 + 3)---War Domain 1st level Spell:  divine favor +1d4 (1d8 + 3 + 1d4)(1d8 + 3 + 1d4)DPR Range 10 - 30DPR Average: 20Adjusted DPR with +5 to hit vs AC15 (55%) = 11 adjusted DPR*Strength adds to hit and to damage of both attacks so you have to choose between 14 wisdom and 16 constitution so you ether have 1 use of War Priest and 11 health or 2 uses of War Priest and 10 health. War priest recharges on a long rest. Point Buy allows Str16, Con16, and Wiz14 with racial bonuses, with 4 points to play with.With Feat and point buyHuman Variant War Cleric STR 10, DEX 16, CON 16, WIZ 14, INT8, CHA8 HP:11 (Max will for War Priest)---Human Variant Feat: Medium Armor Master - Scale mail AC14(Max3) and shield= AC19---Rapier (1d8 + dex)---War Priest Bonus Action (1d8 + 3)(1d8 + 3)---War Domain 1st level Spell:  divine favor +1d4 (1d8 + 3 + 1d4)(1d8 + 3 + 1d4)DPR Range 10 - 30DPR Average: 20Adjusted DPR with +5 to hit vs AC15 (55%) = 11 adjusted DPR</blockquote>

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