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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chryssis" data-source="post: 7511127" data-attributes="member: 6787279">I would assume that your ideal is that the max dpr and max defense character be the same character.meaning you need to choose between armor mastery and gwm/polearm ie when you have your fighter war cleric etc their with avg dpr of 22 and their ac is 1 lower due to no medium armor mastery or else they are sword and boarding for the ac and thus can use the armor feat.  however in order for you to achieve this you are having a dex 16, using your feat for medium armor mastery (for +1 ac) and your ever present cleric of the forge helping out. This brings up the point buy.  dex 16 human. so they can be 16 str 16 dex 14 con 10 wis 8 int 8 cha if you are maximizing so assuming max hps for lvl 1. your fighter has 12 hps.also since you bring up no plate since it costs 1500gp what are your assumptions for starting equipment? 200gp+background?  fighter gear +background and you can sell everything at cost to swap around? either way scale mail is doable if you use a maul instead of a greatsword (10gp instead of 50gp)Also a barbarian would have better survivability and damage in almost all cases vs a fighter at level 1. 1 less ac but 2 more hps, and resistance +2dmg for str attacks.I would say at lvl 1 you are unlikely to be fighting magical attacks. so taking heavy armor mastery (+1str) with chain or splint you could drop your dex to 12 increase con to 16, increase wis to 14 for better spell saves. resulting in 1 more max hp. is the only way a defense fighter remains competitive the dr3 is a drastic increase in survivability even if you only count chainmail so 1 less ac.fighterdefensive -str 16dex 12con 16wis 14splint mail (17 ac)forge +1shield +2defensive style +1heavy armor mastery dr3 to blg,slsh.pierceac 21 dr3 wis save +2 13hpsattack 1d8+3 avg 7.5offensiveac 18polearm/gwm and great weapon fighter style1d10+3+1d4+3 reroll 1+2's so avg 9.3+6 = 15.3 avg dpr  or 2d6+3+10 avg 21.3(not taking into account the previous gwm vs polearm comments on hit chance)Barbariandefensive -str 10dex 16con 16wis 14scale armor (14 ac)forge +1shield +2medium armor mastery +1 (dex)ac 20 + 15hps + rage - resistance pierce blg slashattack 1d8+3+2 = 9.5avg dproffensivestr 16dex 14con 16wis 10ac 17  +15hps +rage - resistances1d10+5+1d4+5 so avg dpr 18 or 2d6+5+10 so avg dpr 21</blockquote>

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