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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chryssis" data-source="post: 7512140" data-attributes="member: 6787279"><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /> Originally Posted by Chryssis <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?p=7511867#post7511867" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></a>errrm why are you comparing a polearm fighter with a raging barb gwm...would the comparison not be a raging barb polearm vs a raging barb gwm which puts it even More in polearms favour since you would get an additional +2dmg from the but end stike..so vs ac 1270% Polearm Master 1d10 + 1d4 +6+4Rage (18 *.7=12.6) 45% Great Weapon Master 2d6+13+2 (22*.45=9.9)I actually wasnt looking at a one-handed quarterstaff although that certainly is viable if you want to have higher ac on a fighter with dueling style instead of on a barb with rage. I was looking at a glaive and thus 1d10 not 1d6, however if you want to get finicky with the comparison to hit ratios are required. example.effectsPAM- AO when enters range, but end strike 1d4GWM -5/+10 dmg bonus attack on kill/critso taking the previous ac 12 monster:PAM 70% chance of 1d10+5 (AO) 1d10+1d4+10 = 28.5+crit dmg =29.175maxGWM 45% chance of 2d6+15 = 22+crit damage =22.35 + 5% chance of bonus attack of 22.35 =23.4675 but if first hit kills also opportunity for another attack so lets assume your min 17dmg kills everything at lvl 1. so 100% chance of a bonus attack from kill instead of crit (which would kill anyways) so 22.35 + 22.35 = 44.70max this means your war cleric actually adds nothing to the equation and is just missing the 4 rage damage per round.but on average with hit chancePAM 29.175*.7 =20.42DPRGWM 22.35*.45 + (22.35*.45)*.45 =14.583375DPRThis all assumes that monsters come to you in infinite waves. if they decide to stand and wait for you to come to them gwm is better, if there is only one and it comes at you PAM is much better.vs your war cleric at 4d6+26 (for 3 rounds) so in our infinite monsters on the scene scenario you fall way flat, likewise in a normal adventuring day, but in a short single bout you have a high DPS (I wouldn't call it honestly a DPR as it disappears after 3 attacks)so 4d6+26 40.7max dpr until your bring hit chance into it.I therefore crown the PAM raging barb as the DPR winner with 20.42 sustained accuracy adjusted DPR.i just noticed something else which may swing it the other way but i'm to tired to redo all the accuracy table and maths.  but none of these damage builds have used our friendly cleric of the forge to give a +1 to hit and dmg to our weapon (as was done on the AC side of the debate)so the dmg would scale up a little for both, might bring GWM closer but i doubt it would make up the average difference.</blockquote>

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