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<blockquote data-quote="Dausuul" data-source="post: 6309964" data-attributes="member: 58197">That is an accurate quote. However, he follows it up with the observation that 5E hit points and damage are much higher.Highly debatable. &quot;The ability to produce a desired result&quot; could be read as &quot;the ability to kill the monster&quot; or as &quot;the ability to hit the monster.&quot; Again, his observation about hit points and damage undermines the idea that he actually meant to say 5E fighters are weak because their attack bonus is low.Flat wrong. Even assuming your interpretation of the word &quot;efficacy,&quot; it is not a negative value judgement. It is a neutral observation. It is a statement about the world--perhaps incorrect, but carrying no value either way.Relative to 3E, 5E has significantly reduced the combat efficacy of wizards. That is not a negative value judgement. For many of us, it is a substantial positive good. I want 5E to give wizards a big ol' whack with the nerf bat (relative to 3E).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dausuul, post: 6309964, member: 58197"] That is an accurate quote. However, he follows it up with the observation that 5E hit points and damage are much higher. Highly debatable. "The ability to produce a desired result" could be read as "the ability to [I]kill[/I] the monster" or as "the ability to [I]hit[/I] the monster." Again, his observation about hit points and damage undermines the idea that he actually meant to say 5E fighters are weak because their attack bonus is low. Flat wrong. Even assuming your interpretation of the word "efficacy," it is not a negative [I]value[/I] judgement. It is a neutral observation. It is a statement about the world--perhaps incorrect, but carrying no value either way. Relative to 3E, 5E has significantly reduced the combat efficacy of wizards. That is not a negative value judgement. For many of us, it is a substantial positive good. I [I]want[/I] 5E to give wizards a big ol' whack with the nerf bat (relative to 3E). [/QUOTE]

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