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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 7672821" data-attributes="member: 6787650"><p>Mostly because I use SP in my games, so 5th level is a convenient break point for lots of things. Most of the spells that get cast in my games are cast at 1st, 2nd, or 5th level.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">I was assuming GWM on the barbarian, so yes, I didn't meant that the sorcerer's nova vastly outclasses the barbarian, just that his nova actually is bigger. Quicken isn't really expensive, just two sorcery points, so the sorcerer can repeat this combination practically as often as he has spell points for it. I'm not a nova guy, I prefer consistency, but let's say your Sorcerer does want to nova because he's trying to kill a bad guy <em>nownownow </em>before he can kill civilians or escape or something. Let's see how much damage a 9th level sorcerer could output:</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">1st round: spend 2 sorcery points + 5th level spell slot for 88 damage times hit percentage, compared to the barb's 49 to 73.5. (I won't say "times hit percentage" from this point on, but readers bear in mind that both the sorc and the barbarian are probably only really doing 50 to 70% of these numbers versus AC 15, since +9 (sorc 9 with Cha 20) hits AC 15 70% of the time, and +3 with disadvantage (GWM barbarian with Str 18 using power attack) hits AC 15 only 64% of the time.) Has three 4th level slots remaining and seven sorcery points.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">2nd round: spell 2 sorcery points + 4th level spell slot for for 76 points of damage. </span><span style="color: #000000">Has two 4th level slots remaining and five sorcery points.</span><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span><span style="color: #000000">3rd round: spell 2 sorcery points + 4th level spell slot for for 76 points of damage. One 4th level slot left and three sorcery points.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">4th round: spell 2 sorcery points + 4th level spell slot for for 76 points of damage. No 4th level slots left and one sorcery point.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">After the 4th round, the sorcerer is out of novas. He can drop back to regular old Scorching Ray IV (or just plain Fireball) and do 48 points of damage, just like the barbarian has been doing on many of these rounds. (If the mooks were so weak that the barbarian's two attacks were guaranteed to kill something every round, the sorcerer would probably just have fireballed everything anyway.)</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">Personally I think blaster sorcs are boring anyway. (Mass) Suggestion: "Why don't you show me how tough you are and fight me with your bare hands?" is more my style. Cooperation and synergy with the Barbarian, not competition.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><strong>Edit:</strong> Besides, wasn't burning 5 sorcery points on a Twinned Scorching Ray even <em>more</em> expensive? If you're worried about efficiency, you don't even care about the Twinned Spell nerf(?) to Scorching Ray--it was never efficient in the first place.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 7672821, member: 6787650"] Mostly because I use SP in my games, so 5th level is a convenient break point for lots of things. Most of the spells that get cast in my games are cast at 1st, 2nd, or 5th level. [COLOR=#000000] I was assuming GWM on the barbarian, so yes, I didn't meant that the sorcerer's nova vastly outclasses the barbarian, just that his nova actually is bigger. Quicken isn't really expensive, just two sorcery points, so the sorcerer can repeat this combination practically as often as he has spell points for it. I'm not a nova guy, I prefer consistency, but let's say your Sorcerer does want to nova because he's trying to kill a bad guy [I]nownownow [/I]before he can kill civilians or escape or something. Let's see how much damage a 9th level sorcerer could output: 1st round: spend 2 sorcery points + 5th level spell slot for 88 damage times hit percentage, compared to the barb's 49 to 73.5. (I won't say "times hit percentage" from this point on, but readers bear in mind that both the sorc and the barbarian are probably only really doing 50 to 70% of these numbers versus AC 15, since +9 (sorc 9 with Cha 20) hits AC 15 70% of the time, and +3 with disadvantage (GWM barbarian with Str 18 using power attack) hits AC 15 only 64% of the time.) Has three 4th level slots remaining and seven sorcery points. 2nd round: spell 2 sorcery points + 4th level spell slot for for 76 points of damage. [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]Has two 4th level slots remaining and five sorcery points.[/COLOR][COLOR=#000000] [/COLOR][COLOR=#000000]3rd round: spell 2 sorcery points + 4th level spell slot for for 76 points of damage. One 4th level slot left and three sorcery points.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000]4th round: spell 2 sorcery points + 4th level spell slot for for 76 points of damage. No 4th level slots left and one sorcery point. After the 4th round, the sorcerer is out of novas. He can drop back to regular old Scorching Ray IV (or just plain Fireball) and do 48 points of damage, just like the barbarian has been doing on many of these rounds. (If the mooks were so weak that the barbarian's two attacks were guaranteed to kill something every round, the sorcerer would probably just have fireballed everything anyway.) Personally I think blaster sorcs are boring anyway. (Mass) Suggestion: "Why don't you show me how tough you are and fight me with your bare hands?" is more my style. Cooperation and synergy with the Barbarian, not competition. [B]Edit:[/B] Besides, wasn't burning 5 sorcery points on a Twinned Scorching Ray even [I]more[/I] expensive? If you're worried about efficiency, you don't even care about the Twinned Spell nerf(?) to Scorching Ray--it was never efficient in the first place.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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