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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7672866" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>No, you're misunderstanding me. Not WHICH targets, but whether or not it CAN target more than one. That is dictated by the spell, not you. Yes, the spellcaster chooses WHICH targets, but the spellcaster cannot make the spell target more than one target if the spell doesn't allow for that - that is up to the spell description, not you. And the ability is based off the spell description, not you.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am applying my logic to the whole sentence. My logic is "read it as you would anything else in the English language using a reasonable person standard - what do you think this means?" That's my logic, it's applied to the entire sentence, and that logic dictates it can only twin spells which are capable of hitting one target only based on the spell description, and it doesn't really care if it "could" be an object instead of a creature. That is logical. You don't need to be so literal about the word creature there - the word creature is fairly meaningless in this context, and context is crucial for understanding English. I also explained why that is consistent with the rest of the rules, with comparison to "damage" meaning both hit point damage and the possibility of subdual damage. Creature in this case means both creature and the possibility of an object for the rare use of the spell for an object - as if you want to twin spell a fire bolt against an object, an example we both know will not come up in games.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't start catty - it was only when, instead of merely disagreeing with me, you opted to instead tell me I am being illogical if I dare disagree with you, that the catty came out.</p><p></p><p>Fortunately, what I am advocating is what the game designers are also explicitly also advocating - I am right on this one, per the game designers, in their official errata. You might consider therefore it's not illogical - it's just plain old something you disagree with. Contrary opinions can also be logical and still contrary. Heck, they can be logical and wrong even. Logic isn't the deciding factor, so stop tossing it around like it's a gem only you possess.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 7672866, member: 2525"] No, you're misunderstanding me. Not WHICH targets, but whether or not it CAN target more than one. That is dictated by the spell, not you. Yes, the spellcaster chooses WHICH targets, but the spellcaster cannot make the spell target more than one target if the spell doesn't allow for that - that is up to the spell description, not you. And the ability is based off the spell description, not you. I am applying my logic to the whole sentence. My logic is "read it as you would anything else in the English language using a reasonable person standard - what do you think this means?" That's my logic, it's applied to the entire sentence, and that logic dictates it can only twin spells which are capable of hitting one target only based on the spell description, and it doesn't really care if it "could" be an object instead of a creature. That is logical. You don't need to be so literal about the word creature there - the word creature is fairly meaningless in this context, and context is crucial for understanding English. I also explained why that is consistent with the rest of the rules, with comparison to "damage" meaning both hit point damage and the possibility of subdual damage. Creature in this case means both creature and the possibility of an object for the rare use of the spell for an object - as if you want to twin spell a fire bolt against an object, an example we both know will not come up in games. I didn't start catty - it was only when, instead of merely disagreeing with me, you opted to instead tell me I am being illogical if I dare disagree with you, that the catty came out. Fortunately, what I am advocating is what the game designers are also explicitly also advocating - I am right on this one, per the game designers, in their official errata. You might consider therefore it's not illogical - it's just plain old something you disagree with. Contrary opinions can also be logical and still contrary. Heck, they can be logical and wrong even. Logic isn't the deciding factor, so stop tossing it around like it's a gem only you possess. [/QUOTE]
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