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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7806563" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Well, sure. Even the high-end of the 5e fighter player-agency scale, the BM, has less going on than a 'boring' (to me) 4e striker, heck, the BM doesn't even stack up to the Essentials Knight/Slayer, who at least got some utilities.</p><p></p><p>The latter eRangers, Hunter and Scout, got primal invocations, which would have been spells or spell-like abilities in any other edition, yes. They also got pretty bizarre from a game design perspective, their 'spells' were utilities, usually minor-impact, but the Hunters were amped-up into Controller role-support. :<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤷" title="Person shrugging :person_shrugging:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937.png" data-shortname=":person_shrugging:" />:</p><p></p><p> I got the feeling that secondary-striker was in the back of the design across the board with Martial. A warlord's buffs and action granting gave it high de-facto DPR (though, really, it was boosting allies DPR), a fighter whose mark was consistently ignored did striker-like DPR via Combat Challenge. 4e never got completely away from the D&D tradition of using weapons meaning contributing damage, just away from the tradition of not contributing anything else.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7806563, member: 996"] Well, sure. Even the high-end of the 5e fighter player-agency scale, the BM, has less going on than a 'boring' (to me) 4e striker, heck, the BM doesn't even stack up to the Essentials Knight/Slayer, who at least got some utilities. The latter eRangers, Hunter and Scout, got primal invocations, which would have been spells or spell-like abilities in any other edition, yes. They also got pretty bizarre from a game design perspective, their 'spells' were utilities, usually minor-impact, but the Hunters were amped-up into Controller role-support. :🤷: I got the feeling that secondary-striker was in the back of the design across the board with Martial. A warlord's buffs and action granting gave it high de-facto DPR (though, really, it was boosting allies DPR), a fighter whose mark was consistently ignored did striker-like DPR via Combat Challenge. 4e never got completely away from the D&D tradition of using weapons meaning contributing damage, just away from the tradition of not contributing anything else. [/QUOTE]
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