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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ariosto" data-source="post: 5271674" data-attributes="member: 80487">"Much larger than even the biggest dungeon" is pure nonsense without whatever anachronistic, arbitrary limitation you are imposing on "dungeon". In the event, even D1 was but a dungeon module!Ah, mind flayers (The Strategic Review Vol. 2, Issue 2; also in Supp. III), aboleths (Monster Manual) and drow (MM mention) appeared long before the term "underdark" -- which, IIRC, I first encountered in the Dungeoneer's Survival Guide (1986). Your notion of it as something apart from the "underworld" or "dungeons" is maybe not even to be found therein. I certainly did not see it in the D modules.Where there are no literal rooms, one can -- like adventure-game programmers -- work in terms of conceptual "rooms" (perhaps called spaces/ places/ encounters/ scenes or whatever).D1 is an example of one implementation, but it is hardly the first appearance of the concept of a vast underground domain in D&D. I reckon it is in fact implicit in the very term Underworld, which also evokes the very ancient nature of this concept. That in turn may suggest that it is not especially a "D&D trope". Was Lewis using a "D&D trope" two decades prior to D&D? No, he was using an archetypal element of myth and legend!Here is that picture from the first Basic Set (1977). It's pretty clearly not to a scale. <img src="http://www.necromancergames.com/images/skull_dungeon.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></blockquote>

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