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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9323708" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>As others have noted, more than one AI has been able to pass <u>a</u> Turing test before--as in, any one given trial thereof. Whether or not it is even possible for any AI, even a theoretical true AGI that is itself conscious and sapient, to pass <u>every</u> Turing test ever applied to it...well, that just seems like an impossibly high bar.</p><p></p><p>Not that the Turing test was ever intended to actually act as an evaluation of whether an AI is actually intelligent. The whole point of Turing's proposal was that actually testing for <em>consciousness</em> might be a fool's errand, something you can't meaningfully do, and thus we should look for useful proxies that <em>can</em> be objectively tested (for some definition of "objectively."</p><p></p><p></p><p>Whether or not it is "outdated" is frankly irrelevant. It has had a serious, largely-unanswered criticism of its incompleteness since <em>at least</em> 1980, with Searle's Chinese Room argument. That something can mimic the <em>syntax</em> of a language is an inadequate proxy for whether that thing has a mind in the way that humans have minds. It may in fact be that the entity has a mind; but showing this <em>purely through syntactic manipulation</em> does not demonstrate that it has one.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Then you simply haven't been following the literature. Several programs have fooled people at length, and that was even before Chat GPT came on the scene. Chat-GPT as it stands (which, AIUI, uses GPT-3) has successfully passed more than one round of Turing testing--because the objective isn't to make it so people <em>cannot ever</em> tell they aren't chatting with an AI, but rather to make it so that the third-party observer cannot consistently (p=0.5) determine which of two chat participants is a person and which is an AI when both are attempting to speak as naturally as possible.</p><p></p><p>It's never been about having someone who <em>knows</em> they're human chatting with another entity they <em>don't</em> know is human--or, at least, the <em>proper</em> Turing test has never been about that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9323708, member: 6790260"] As others have noted, more than one AI has been able to pass [U]a[/U] Turing test before--as in, any one given trial thereof. Whether or not it is even possible for any AI, even a theoretical true AGI that is itself conscious and sapient, to pass [U]every[/U] Turing test ever applied to it...well, that just seems like an impossibly high bar. Not that the Turing test was ever intended to actually act as an evaluation of whether an AI is actually intelligent. The whole point of Turing's proposal was that actually testing for [I]consciousness[/I] might be a fool's errand, something you can't meaningfully do, and thus we should look for useful proxies that [I]can[/I] be objectively tested (for some definition of "objectively." Whether or not it is "outdated" is frankly irrelevant. It has had a serious, largely-unanswered criticism of its incompleteness since [I]at least[/I] 1980, with Searle's Chinese Room argument. That something can mimic the [I]syntax[/I] of a language is an inadequate proxy for whether that thing has a mind in the way that humans have minds. It may in fact be that the entity has a mind; but showing this [I]purely through syntactic manipulation[/I] does not demonstrate that it has one. Then you simply haven't been following the literature. Several programs have fooled people at length, and that was even before Chat GPT came on the scene. Chat-GPT as it stands (which, AIUI, uses GPT-3) has successfully passed more than one round of Turing testing--because the objective isn't to make it so people [I]cannot ever[/I] tell they aren't chatting with an AI, but rather to make it so that the third-party observer cannot consistently (p=0.5) determine which of two chat participants is a person and which is an AI when both are attempting to speak as naturally as possible. It's never been about having someone who [I]knows[/I] they're human chatting with another entity they [I]don't[/I] know is human--or, at least, the [I]proper[/I] Turing test has never been about that. [/QUOTE]
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