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<blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 7756537" data-attributes="member: 2518"><p>Not sure that I agree with that.</p><p>Of course most PCs come from humble beginnings according to their background, but in nearly all editions of D&D they were already better just because they were PCs. Never was 1st level PC equal to an normal NPC.</p><p>Also, because of the very rigid leveling system it was pretty much guaranteed, in 4E even enforced, that they became heroes. Basically they were heroes from birth...</p><p></p><p>I do agree with the influence of westerns on D&D which was mentioned. Not only because of the episodic format of many early D&D adventures but also because of the general feel and structure. You have a peaceful town threatened by some armed "bullies", strangers come into town, kick the bullies out and resolve the situation, they get thanked and ride into the sunset. Thats the basic D&D template, especially when they tried to promote "points of light". The general lawlessness in D&D also reminds me of westerns. Where the PCs appear they are the boss. Government is mostly nonexistend and even where it is the PCs can do basically anything they want as most laws from real life except the most basic ones don't exist.</p><p>Also, the way people looked after their weapon in previous editions (and even now sometimes) has a very "cold dead hands" feel.</p><p></p><p>By the way, if you want a more European rpg try The Dark Eye (Das Schwarze Auge) from Germany. Although it has become a lot more international/american by copying D&D in later editions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Derren, post: 7756537, member: 2518"] Not sure that I agree with that. Of course most PCs come from humble beginnings according to their background, but in nearly all editions of D&D they were already better just because they were PCs. Never was 1st level PC equal to an normal NPC. Also, because of the very rigid leveling system it was pretty much guaranteed, in 4E even enforced, that they became heroes. Basically they were heroes from birth... I do agree with the influence of westerns on D&D which was mentioned. Not only because of the episodic format of many early D&D adventures but also because of the general feel and structure. You have a peaceful town threatened by some armed "bullies", strangers come into town, kick the bullies out and resolve the situation, they get thanked and ride into the sunset. Thats the basic D&D template, especially when they tried to promote "points of light". The general lawlessness in D&D also reminds me of westerns. Where the PCs appear they are the boss. Government is mostly nonexistend and even where it is the PCs can do basically anything they want as most laws from real life except the most basic ones don't exist. Also, the way people looked after their weapon in previous editions (and even now sometimes) has a very "cold dead hands" feel. By the way, if you want a more European rpg try The Dark Eye (Das Schwarze Auge) from Germany. Although it has become a lot more international/american by copying D&D in later editions. [/QUOTE]
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