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<blockquote data-quote="deinol" data-source="post: 5344731" data-attributes="member: 62536">ICv2 has a fairly steady track record and are definitely unbiased. They've been around quite a while and have good channels of information. Is it as good as hard sales numbers? No. Is anyone using the numbers to try to claim that WotC is dying? (Probably, but most of us will discount those claims.) On the other hand, for as far back as I can find, ICv2 has reported D&amp;D as the top RPG brand. The fact that Pathfinder has made inroads to even rival D&amp;D for a single quarter means it is doing quite well.I have to assume that the Red Box and Essentials line (which only showed up very late in Q3) will have a much bigger impact on the Q4 reporting. Paizo does have a big Q4 release (Bestiary 2 will probably sell as well as the APG, if not better) so they should have a good next quarter too.More interesting to me is this is the first time in a long time that White Wolf hasn't been on the list. The fact that Evil Hat shows up at all with Dresden Files is pretty amazing. FFG has been fairly solid in the middle of the lists since Dark Heresy's release. The fact that there are several strong brands in the market is good news overall for table-top RPGs and will keep both sides competitive.In conclusion: Paizo is quite happy with their sales. Wizards is still doing quite well and probably has a larger market share once you factor in other sales area (AKA: Amazon, Barnes &amp; Borders, etc.) FFG is happy about their warhammer franchise, and Evil Hat is ecstatic about Dresden Files. Enjoy your game of choice.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="deinol, post: 5344731, member: 62536"] ICv2 has a fairly steady track record and are definitely unbiased. They've been around quite a while and have good channels of information. Is it as good as hard sales numbers? No. Is anyone using the numbers to try to claim that WotC is dying? (Probably, but most of us will discount those claims.) On the other hand, for as far back as I can find, ICv2 has reported D&D as the top RPG brand. The fact that Pathfinder has made inroads to even rival D&D for a single quarter means it is doing quite well. I have to assume that the Red Box and Essentials line (which only showed up very late in Q3) will have a much bigger impact on the Q4 reporting. Paizo does have a big Q4 release (Bestiary 2 will probably sell as well as the APG, if not better) so they should have a good next quarter too. More interesting to me is this is the first time in a long time that White Wolf hasn't been on the list. The fact that Evil Hat shows up at all with Dresden Files is pretty amazing. FFG has been fairly solid in the middle of the lists since Dark Heresy's release. The fact that there are several strong brands in the market is good news overall for table-top RPGs and will keep both sides competitive. In conclusion: Paizo is quite happy with their sales. Wizards is still doing quite well and probably has a larger market share once you factor in other sales area (AKA: Amazon, Barnes & Borders, etc.) FFG is happy about their warhammer franchise, and Evil Hat is ecstatic about Dresden Files. Enjoy your game of choice. [/QUOTE]

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