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<blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 5345180" data-attributes="member: 10177">His point is where is the data your going by to prove their rankings are wrong? Meaning the point is you have no such data. These hard numbers you keep mentioning do not exist, and never will. Corporations believe releasing their actual numbers is too likely to damage their future sales, and more importantly their stock dividends.So right or wrong, for whatever reason, you will never have your hard data, and on top of that ICV2 is someone people in the industry pay attention too, because they know what questions are asked, and what information is given.They do not give any numbers because the respective companies do not want such data publicly disclosed.So you may not want this ranking systems to be &quot;valid&quot;, but it is.Does this mean that Paizo sells as much as WOTC and D&amp;D? No, it just means they are pretty darn close.I agree DDI definitely hurts WOTC's print sales. I can only assume the revenue stream from DDI makes them more money than the print sales would. It likely does.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Treebore, post: 5345180, member: 10177"] His point is where is the data your going by to prove their rankings are wrong? Meaning the point is you have no such data. These hard numbers you keep mentioning do not exist, and never will. Corporations believe releasing their actual numbers is too likely to damage their future sales, and more importantly their stock dividends. So right or wrong, for whatever reason, you will never have your hard data, and on top of that ICV2 is someone people in the industry pay attention too, because they know what questions are asked, and what information is given. They do not give any numbers because the respective companies do not want such data publicly disclosed. So you may not want this ranking systems to be "valid", but it is. Does this mean that Paizo sells as much as WOTC and D&D? No, it just means they are pretty darn close. I agree DDI definitely hurts WOTC's print sales. I can only assume the revenue stream from DDI makes them more money than the print sales would. It likely does. [/QUOTE]

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