Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is coming! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
D&D and Pathfinder tied for first place on ICv2 Q3 RPG sales list
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Cergorach" data-source="post: 5346864" data-attributes="member: 725"><p>Not making a loss on a property is not enough for corporations, if the profits aren't high enough it is also an issue. Money is not made in a vacuum, it is made with other money, folks want a healthy return on that. If there are other investments that the invested money can raise a better return, companies close down lines/companies.</p><p></p><p>I've worked at a banking institution in the past (as an IT guy) and when management announced that we had a year to turn things around I was surprised, we were making money (a lot of it)! The thing I didn't know was the amount of money it took (the investment) to make those profits, when presented with those numbers I concluded that at the time it was more profitable for the parent company to keep the investment in a bank account and let it accumulate interest. Less risk, less hassle. Companies are not philanthropic institutions that exist for their customers and employees, the exist for a healthy profit. A profit that relates to the risks involved, the more risks, the higher the expected profit.</p><p></p><p>Some interesting facts:</p><p>1997 - WotC bought TSR <u>and</u> the Five Rings Publishing Group for $25 million (total)</p><p>1999 - WotC is bought by Hasbro for $325 million</p><p></p><p>TSR didn't become worth $300 million more in two years, the difference was Magic and Pokemon.</p><p></p><p>As for Hasbro selling things:</p><p>2001 - Hasbro sells Hasbro Interactive (computer game branch) for $100 million</p><p>2002 - Hasbro sells Origins and Gen Con</p><p></p><p>I also believe that Wizards sold the rights to SLA Industries and Ars Magica, but can't find a statement to that effect at the moment.</p><p></p><p>D&D isn't as valuable as we like to think (compared to other properties like magic and other CCGs). D&D as WotC has it isn't worth hundreds of millions of dollars.</p><p></p><p>I'm pretty sure that Paizo doesn't have enough spare cash to buy D&D outright, but they are big enough to get a decent loan. Not that I am saying that Paizo could/should/want to buy the D&D brand at this time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cergorach, post: 5346864, member: 725"] Not making a loss on a property is not enough for corporations, if the profits aren't high enough it is also an issue. Money is not made in a vacuum, it is made with other money, folks want a healthy return on that. If there are other investments that the invested money can raise a better return, companies close down lines/companies. I've worked at a banking institution in the past (as an IT guy) and when management announced that we had a year to turn things around I was surprised, we were making money (a lot of it)! The thing I didn't know was the amount of money it took (the investment) to make those profits, when presented with those numbers I concluded that at the time it was more profitable for the parent company to keep the investment in a bank account and let it accumulate interest. Less risk, less hassle. Companies are not philanthropic institutions that exist for their customers and employees, the exist for a healthy profit. A profit that relates to the risks involved, the more risks, the higher the expected profit. Some interesting facts: 1997 - WotC bought TSR [U]and[/U] the Five Rings Publishing Group for $25 million (total) 1999 - WotC is bought by Hasbro for $325 million TSR didn't become worth $300 million more in two years, the difference was Magic and Pokemon. As for Hasbro selling things: 2001 - Hasbro sells Hasbro Interactive (computer game branch) for $100 million 2002 - Hasbro sells Origins and Gen Con I also believe that Wizards sold the rights to SLA Industries and Ars Magica, but can't find a statement to that effect at the moment. D&D isn't as valuable as we like to think (compared to other properties like magic and other CCGs). D&D as WotC has it isn't worth hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm pretty sure that Paizo doesn't have enough spare cash to buy D&D outright, but they are big enough to get a decent loan. Not that I am saying that Paizo could/should/want to buy the D&D brand at this time. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
D&D and Pathfinder tied for first place on ICv2 Q3 RPG sales list
Top