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<blockquote data-quote="WayOfTheFourElements" data-source="post: 7941588" data-attributes="member: 6904757"><p>I looked up the constitution, but didn't see any good justification for its authority.</p><p></p><p>The most section appears to be the preamble:</p><p></p><p>"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."</p><p> </p><p>From that, we can gleam:</p><p></p><p>Who:</p><p>- "We the people"</p><p></p><p>What:</p><p>- "Form a more perfection union."</p><p></p><p>Why:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"establish justice"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"insure...tranquility"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"provide...common defence"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">"promote the general Welfare"</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">secure liberty and prosperity</li> </ul><p></p><p>Problems:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No one living is included in "We the people."</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No US citizen consents to live under the government established by the Constitution. (Though I believe domestic aliens and naturalized citizens do.)</li> </ul><p></p><p>Questions Unanswered:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Does consent grant legitimacy?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What is consent? Who gives it? Are we bound to it? If so, for how long? Why that long?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If consent doesn't give legitimacy, what does?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Does legit government exist?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Can legit government exist, even in theory?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What is justice? If we don't define it, how can we measure the government's success in that regard? Does it matter?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">How much tranquility must be insured? Can we insured by any means?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Can the common defence operate outside US soil?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What is general welfare? Can <em>promote </em>ever mean <em>force</em>? If so, under what circumstances? Who decides under which circumstances?</li> </ul><p></p><p>Honestly, I don't know.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WayOfTheFourElements, post: 7941588, member: 6904757"] I looked up the constitution, but didn't see any good justification for its authority. The most section appears to be the preamble: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." From that, we can gleam: Who: - "We the people" What: - "Form a more perfection union." Why: [LIST] [*]"establish justice" [*]"insure...tranquility" [*]"provide...common defence" [*]"promote the general Welfare" [*]secure liberty and prosperity [/LIST] Problems: [LIST] [*]No one living is included in "We the people." [*]No US citizen consents to live under the government established by the Constitution. (Though I believe domestic aliens and naturalized citizens do.) [/LIST] Questions Unanswered: [LIST] [*]Does consent grant legitimacy? [*]What is consent? Who gives it? Are we bound to it? If so, for how long? Why that long? [*]If consent doesn't give legitimacy, what does? [*]Does legit government exist? [*]Can legit government exist, even in theory? [*]What is justice? If we don't define it, how can we measure the government's success in that regard? Does it matter? [*]How much tranquility must be insured? Can we insured by any means? [*]Can the common defence operate outside US soil? [*]What is general welfare? Can [I]promote [/I]ever mean [I]force[/I]? If so, under what circumstances? Who decides under which circumstances? [/LIST] Honestly, I don't know. [/QUOTE]
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