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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 8143493" data-attributes="member: 6716779">Academia often doesn't pay that well, you get paid for your passion really. A lot of art degrees for example.  $15 an hour you get more than that picking fruit here it's close to minimum wage.  There's some well paying jobs out there not requiring degrees most people just don't think about them or think they're below them.  Joke in the 90s was the dumb ones went to university. Outside of a few degrees it's not much of a joke assuming you had some sort of plan. To many art, accounting, law degrees not enough tradesmen's, STEM of engineers.  American expat friend bureaucrat got salty when his friend driving forklift got 50% more than he did or his wage was what I got 15 years ago in a factory.</blockquote>