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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Istbor" data-source="post: 8160587" data-attributes="member: 6801670">Some people just don't believe this is a big deal. I can't count how often the discussion instead turns to how damaging the lockdowns are to people compared to the disease. There is no real talk about how really, both are terrible. I also often hear people, either sarcastically or not, talk about how funny it is that no one has died of old age this year. So essentially doubts that what we see as COVID deaths are actually accurate, but instead inflated. It is difficult to address those positions or thoughts without others seeing it as an attack of what they believe though as well. Of course people have died of old age or heart attacks this year. Maybe it would help if it is explained that COVID was the reason the body got to that state that the person died, or break it down in some way about how a person may have died due to internal bleeding, but it was that bus that smacked them that 'killed' them.  Once you start down that road though, you can see some people just shutdown, and no longer wish to listen. They have their ideas on the matter, and they are concrete.</blockquote>