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<blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 8166660" data-attributes="member: 72555"><p>Yes, and know what else the 19th century was? Really poor.</p><p></p><p>And part of that poverty was because ... of death by disease.</p><p></p><p>There are places that said "whatever, we'll stay open" ... their GDP fell by <strong>more</strong> than places that took it seriously, and more people died.</p><p></p><p>Now, until around this moment in time, defeating Covid-19 would be impossible. Even 10 years ago - maybe even 5 - we'd lack the technology to do it.</p><p></p><p>So cowards who surrender to it, and say "we might as well let people die, not my problem" are sort of understandable. They lack the courage and vision to see we <strong>can</strong> beat this pandemic.</p><p></p><p>And parts of the world have beaten it. Your part of the world, maybe not, but that isn't because it wasn't worth the effort or whatever. Maybe your part of the world maybe just wasn't <strong>good enough</strong> to pull off victory. Losers... well, they lose. Often they then tell a story about how their loserhood is great.</p><p></p><p>Not to say that having lots of dead meant you are a loser; you could have been ambushed by it before we had a clue what to do, like NYC, Wuhan or Italy; of course, SK also got ambushed about as early. Or you could lack the economic strength to pull off what was needed (note that relatively poor economies seemed to have pulled it off (Vietnam, and some parts of Africa, for example)).</p><p></p><p>You can take pride in your failure, or you can learn from it and become a better place. Because this isn't going to be the last pandemic. And the next one might be worse.</p><p></p><p>Parts of the word hit hard by SARS (a previous pandemic we stopped dead before millions died) where much more ready for this one. Because they had the courage and fortitude and foresight to actually have plans, then to execute plans, and then to beat it.</p><p></p><p>...</p><p></p><p>To be clear, I'm not running and cowering from it. I'm protecting everyone else by staying distant. Especially in the early parts of the pandemic, my personal risk from it was <strong>really low</strong>, but the collective risk from letting it spread <strong>was just as bad</strong> as now.</p><p></p><p>We have math. We know the costs of letting it run loose -- about 1% of the world dead, as hospitals are overrun. We know the costs of letting it slow burn -- about 0.5% dead, as about half of those who would have died are saved by health care. Right now Canada is fighting to end with 0.1% dead, saving the lives of about 300,000 people over the alternative of surrender. Other places pulled off basically 0% dead.</p><p></p><p>I personally think those lives where worth my crappy year.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NotAYakk, post: 8166660, member: 72555"] Yes, and know what else the 19th century was? Really poor. And part of that poverty was because ... of death by disease. There are places that said "whatever, we'll stay open" ... their GDP fell by [B]more[/B] than places that took it seriously, and more people died. Now, until around this moment in time, defeating Covid-19 would be impossible. Even 10 years ago - maybe even 5 - we'd lack the technology to do it. So cowards who surrender to it, and say "we might as well let people die, not my problem" are sort of understandable. They lack the courage and vision to see we [B]can[/B] beat this pandemic. And parts of the world have beaten it. Your part of the world, maybe not, but that isn't because it wasn't worth the effort or whatever. Maybe your part of the world maybe just wasn't [B]good enough[/B] to pull off victory. Losers... well, they lose. Often they then tell a story about how their loserhood is great. Not to say that having lots of dead meant you are a loser; you could have been ambushed by it before we had a clue what to do, like NYC, Wuhan or Italy; of course, SK also got ambushed about as early. Or you could lack the economic strength to pull off what was needed (note that relatively poor economies seemed to have pulled it off (Vietnam, and some parts of Africa, for example)). You can take pride in your failure, or you can learn from it and become a better place. Because this isn't going to be the last pandemic. And the next one might be worse. Parts of the word hit hard by SARS (a previous pandemic we stopped dead before millions died) where much more ready for this one. Because they had the courage and fortitude and foresight to actually have plans, then to execute plans, and then to beat it. ... To be clear, I'm not running and cowering from it. I'm protecting everyone else by staying distant. Especially in the early parts of the pandemic, my personal risk from it was [B]really low[/B], but the collective risk from letting it spread [B]was just as bad[/B] as now. We have math. We know the costs of letting it run loose -- about 1% of the world dead, as hospitals are overrun. We know the costs of letting it slow burn -- about 0.5% dead, as about half of those who would have died are saved by health care. Right now Canada is fighting to end with 0.1% dead, saving the lives of about 300,000 people over the alternative of surrender. Other places pulled off basically 0% dead. I personally think those lives where worth my crappy year. [/QUOTE]
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