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<blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 8167524" data-attributes="member: 72555">I can do logic.&nbsp; I can do symbol manipulation, check proofs, and with low fidelity and lots of effort connect those symbols to things in the world.But I can't live my life rationally, because rational decision making is insanely expensive.You have to use heristics and habits to determine your actions, both immediatly and in aggregate.And anyone thinking they are making their decisions rationally is fooling themselves.&nbsp; At best they can produce rationalizations for their actions, and adapt their actions when convinced by rational sounding arguments.I don't see the contradiction.&nbsp; My issue is that the problem is intractible; I don't believe anyone is that smart.Maybe I'm wrong and all of these people claiming to be &quot;rational&quot; are actually amazingly smarter than I can understand.More likely they are using &quot;rational&quot; to mean something I am not.&nbsp; So my model is that they have heuristics and habits and beliefs and an ability to rationalize, and a&nbsp; self image that they are &quot;rational&quot; so when confronted with arguments framed as &quot;rational&quot; feel they should be persuaded by them.And they call that &quot;being rational&quot;.But I could be wrong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NotAYakk, post: 8167524, member: 72555"] I can do logic. I can do symbol manipulation, check proofs, and with low fidelity and lots of effort connect those symbols to things in the world. But I can't live my life rationally, because rational decision making is insanely expensive. You have to use heristics and habits to determine your actions, both immediatly and in aggregate. And anyone thinking they are making their decisions rationally is fooling themselves. At best they can produce rationalizations for their actions, and adapt their actions when convinced by rational sounding arguments. I don't see the contradiction. My issue is that the problem is intractible; I don't believe anyone is that smart. Maybe I'm wrong and all of these people claiming to be "rational" are actually amazingly smarter than I can understand. More likely they are using "rational" to mean something I am not. So my model is that they have heuristics and habits and beliefs and an ability to rationalize, and a self image that they are "rational" so when confronted with arguments framed as "rational" feel they should be persuaded by them. And they call that "being rational". But I could be wrong. [/QUOTE]

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