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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 8337734" data-attributes="member: 177">Of course you are seeing different numbers, because asymptomatic infection is a thing.&nbsp; Preventing all infection was not the measure of effectiveness in development of the vaccines, though.&nbsp; And preventing transmission was not measured in development at all.&nbsp; The vaccines are extremely good at keeping you out of the hospital, very good at keeping you from getting sick.&nbsp; They also happen to be good at keeping you from getting infected at all, and preventing transmission (which are only slightly related).Because it is significantly harder to do.&nbsp; It calls for finding thousands of vaccinated people (a representative sample of the population - across all ages, sexes, races, socio-economic classes, and so on), and following up with them to do tests at frequent and regular intervals, when they have no other reason to interact with the healthcare system.&nbsp; You need a similar population to test &quot;don't get sick&quot;, but follow up can be done on the phone.Plus, it is only arguably the most important number.&nbsp; &quot;You don't get sick&quot; is an excellent number.&nbsp; It includes &quot;you don't die&quot; and &quot;you don't wind up in the hospital&quot; as well as &quot;you don't go on a ventilator&quot;, for example, all of which is extremely relevant to society when looking at a pandemic - it basically means &quot;you will be no burden to the healthcare system&quot;, which is a major concern to a system facing greter volume than it can handle.Oh, while &quot;don't get infected&quot; is arguably most important to society, it is NOT the most important to the individual.&nbsp; Individuals don't give a rat's patoot if they get infected - they care about getting seriously sick or dying.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 8337734, member: 177"] Of course you are seeing different numbers, because asymptomatic infection is a thing. Preventing [I]all infection[/I] was not the measure of effectiveness in development of the vaccines, though. And preventing transmission was not measured in development at all. The vaccines are extremely good at keeping you out of the hospital, very good at keeping you from getting sick. They also happen to be good at keeping you from getting infected at all, and preventing transmission (which are only slightly related). Because it is significantly harder to do. It calls for finding thousands of vaccinated people (a representative sample of the population - across all ages, sexes, races, socio-economic classes, and so on), and following up with them to do tests at frequent and regular intervals, when they have no other reason to interact with the healthcare system. You need a similar population to test "don't get sick", but follow up can be done on the phone. Plus, it is only [I]arguably[/I] the most important number. "You don't get sick" is an excellent number. It includes "you don't die" and "you don't wind up in the hospital" as well as "you don't go on a ventilator", for example, all of which is extremely relevant to society when looking at a pandemic - it basically means "you will be no burden to the healthcare system", which is a major concern to a system facing greter volume than it can handle. Oh, while "don't get infected" is arguably most important to society, it is NOT the most important to the individual. Individuals don't give a rat's patoot if they get infected - they care about getting seriously sick or dying. [/QUOTE]

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