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<blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 8435294" data-attributes="member: 72555"><p>NZ is doing a good job of getting people vaccinated looks like. Already past 90% first dose (I assume of those eligible? Or adults?) in some areas.</p><p></p><p>Good on you.</p><p></p><p>...</p><p></p><p>In Ontario, the vaccine passport is needed for non-essential indoor activities; bars, restaurants, gyms. It is your vaccine reciept, or a barcode that is a key into a central Database that gives the validator your name and I think DOB.</p><p></p><p>...</p><p></p><p>My city finally hit 90% first dose like a week ago, and we had a huge head start on you folk.</p><p></p><p>Or second dose is closer to 90%, but your looks like it will catch up (due to the 4+ week delay).</p><p></p><p>Note that your relative rush with 2nd doses means that boosters are more likely to be useful; there is evidence that a delay between 1st and 2nd makes the 2nd more effective.</p><p></p><p>...</p><p></p><p>At 90% one dose and like ~84% fully vaccinated (age 12+), vaccine passport for indoor use, schools open with modest masking (they eat indoors and take off their masks to do so, modest filtering of air), indoors requiring masks, indoor gathering capped at 10-50, and probably 5%-10% infected over pandemic, we are seeing a virus spread of under 1.0 (number of people newly sick per day is flat or down).</p><p></p><p>Kids appear to be spreading delta reasonably well despite their lower chance of symptoms. So getting age 5-11 vaccinated at 90%+ and a few more percentage points on the rest of the population (age 20-40 has a low vaccine rate still, and low compliance rate on social distancing, those horny kids), and we are looking good.</p><p></p><p>The nasty part is that Delta is so virulent, if we relax restrictions it will burn its way through the unvaxxed population. And we don't have the health care capacity to provide ICU vents for all of the people who get sick, even with 95% age 70+ vaccinated and 80%+ of other ages.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NotAYakk, post: 8435294, member: 72555"] NZ is doing a good job of getting people vaccinated looks like. Already past 90% first dose (I assume of those eligible? Or adults?) in some areas. Good on you. ... In Ontario, the vaccine passport is needed for non-essential indoor activities; bars, restaurants, gyms. It is your vaccine reciept, or a barcode that is a key into a central Database that gives the validator your name and I think DOB. ... My city finally hit 90% first dose like a week ago, and we had a huge head start on you folk. Or second dose is closer to 90%, but your looks like it will catch up (due to the 4+ week delay). Note that your relative rush with 2nd doses means that boosters are more likely to be useful; there is evidence that a delay between 1st and 2nd makes the 2nd more effective. ... At 90% one dose and like ~84% fully vaccinated (age 12+), vaccine passport for indoor use, schools open with modest masking (they eat indoors and take off their masks to do so, modest filtering of air), indoors requiring masks, indoor gathering capped at 10-50, and probably 5%-10% infected over pandemic, we are seeing a virus spread of under 1.0 (number of people newly sick per day is flat or down). Kids appear to be spreading delta reasonably well despite their lower chance of symptoms. So getting age 5-11 vaccinated at 90%+ and a few more percentage points on the rest of the population (age 20-40 has a low vaccine rate still, and low compliance rate on social distancing, those horny kids), and we are looking good. The nasty part is that Delta is so virulent, if we relax restrictions it will burn its way through the unvaxxed population. And we don't have the health care capacity to provide ICU vents for all of the people who get sick, even with 95% age 70+ vaccinated and 80%+ of other ages. [/QUOTE]
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