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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8612406" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>I should have replied to this directly in addition to the above.</p><p></p><p>What prevents you from also doing that?</p><p></p><p>Absolutely and unremittingly peaceful solutions rarely work all the time. Hell, they rarely work in general. Conflict is a sad necessity sometimes, and I say this as someone who values pacifist solutions whenever they can be pursued. E.g., there is no negotiating with a mindflayer as they are usually depicted, where they can only live by eating the brains of sapient beings and require the deaths of sapient beings to incubate their young. Two of my favorite class archetypes are Paladin and Warlord, which specifically train for violent conflict.</p><p></p><p>Good things eventually coming to good people goes hand in glove with defeating bad guys (whether by violence or not). Positivity is pretty much orthogonal to everything you mentioned, other than toning down the Game of Thrones vibes and toning up the "Paladins and Princesses" ones, where you have Good Guys fighting Bad Guys and actually saving the day, where Han Solo goes from amoral gritty merc to heroic scruffy adventurer with a cool girlfriend and willingness to risk his life to ensure victory for the Rebels. (I reject the new movies' canon for the reason of it <em>being really dumb</em>, so the whole "abandoned all character development and became a static copy of his younger self" thing is irrelevant to me.) And, I mean, Superman fights evil and saves the day all the time, and he literally wears all three primary colors in extreme saturation. Can't get much more "defeat the bad guys" than that.</p><p></p><p>So...why assume the mere existence of these characteristics, which are mostly orthogonal or (in the case of peaceful stuff) simply won't work a decent chunk of the time, inherently means a no-adventure snooze fest? We can be engaging in a reconstruction, one that recognizes the value in the old ways but builds a new, wider perspective that includes more than just those ways.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8612406, member: 6790260"] I should have replied to this directly in addition to the above. What prevents you from also doing that? Absolutely and unremittingly peaceful solutions rarely work all the time. Hell, they rarely work in general. Conflict is a sad necessity sometimes, and I say this as someone who values pacifist solutions whenever they can be pursued. E.g., there is no negotiating with a mindflayer as they are usually depicted, where they can only live by eating the brains of sapient beings and require the deaths of sapient beings to incubate their young. Two of my favorite class archetypes are Paladin and Warlord, which specifically train for violent conflict. Good things eventually coming to good people goes hand in glove with defeating bad guys (whether by violence or not). Positivity is pretty much orthogonal to everything you mentioned, other than toning down the Game of Thrones vibes and toning up the "Paladins and Princesses" ones, where you have Good Guys fighting Bad Guys and actually saving the day, where Han Solo goes from amoral gritty merc to heroic scruffy adventurer with a cool girlfriend and willingness to risk his life to ensure victory for the Rebels. (I reject the new movies' canon for the reason of it [I]being really dumb[/I], so the whole "abandoned all character development and became a static copy of his younger self" thing is irrelevant to me.) And, I mean, Superman fights evil and saves the day all the time, and he literally wears all three primary colors in extreme saturation. Can't get much more "defeat the bad guys" than that. So...why assume the mere existence of these characteristics, which are mostly orthogonal or (in the case of peaceful stuff) simply won't work a decent chunk of the time, inherently means a no-adventure snooze fest? We can be engaging in a reconstruction, one that recognizes the value in the old ways but builds a new, wider perspective that includes more than just those ways. [/QUOTE]
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