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<blockquote data-quote="Malmuria" data-source="post: 8615394" data-attributes="member: 7030755">What I'm saying is that it groups a variety of different design and artistic decisions under one label in a way that's not helpful.&nbsp; Because we can point out that more recent material has a variety of tones and styles, and go further to point out that older material, too, had a variety of tones and styles, some &quot;silly&quot; or whimsical, but all that's not the point for those criticizing the supposed direction of the game products.&nbsp; Rather, threads discussing alignment, racial asi, the worldviews of Edgar Rice Burroughs, H.P. Lovecraft et al, and so forth get to the actual point more directly.Why not both?&nbsp; Like most companies, wotc is probably trying to appeal to multiple demographics.&nbsp; Being cognizant of appealing to women doesn't mean they've given up on appealing to men, for example.I think gothic horror is different from sword and sorcery.&nbsp; Still, consider these images.&nbsp; Dark in tone, lots of greys and browns, undead elements, gothic stylings.&nbsp; Are we saying these are not &quot;classic&quot; ravenloft because of the outfits of the female characters??[ATTACH=full]156060[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]156061[/ATTACH]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Malmuria, post: 8615394, member: 7030755"] What I'm saying is that it groups a variety of different design and artistic decisions under one label in a way that's not helpful. Because we can point out that more recent material has a variety of tones and styles, and go further to point out that older material, too, had a variety of tones and styles, some "silly" or whimsical, but all that's not the point for those criticizing the supposed direction of the game products. Rather, threads discussing alignment, racial asi, the worldviews of Edgar Rice Burroughs, H.P. Lovecraft et al, and so forth get to the actual point more directly. Why not both? Like most companies, wotc is probably trying to appeal to multiple demographics. Being cognizant of appealing to women doesn't mean they've given up on appealing to men, for example. I think gothic horror is different from sword and sorcery. Still, consider these images. Dark in tone, lots of greys and browns, undead elements, gothic stylings. Are we saying these are not "classic" ravenloft because of the outfits of the female characters?? [ATTACH type="full" width="554px"]156060[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full" width="559px"]156061[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]

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