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<blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8615481" data-attributes="member: 7023887">Ice cream flavors are a matter of taste. Whether or not things are goofy is slightly subjective, but not subjective to the point where you can deny that many of the things that would be labeled goofy about modern D&amp;D have been around for a very long time in the hobby. No one would deny that Terry Pratchett's Discworld books are goofy. That's just a fact. Literally everyone on the face of the planet can agree with that. Terry Pratchett would agree with that if he was alive. That's kind of a major aspect of Discworld. I think the same applies to much of early D&amp;D. Planescape, Spelljammer, Flumphs, Owlbears, the original beholder art, the cover of the 1e Monster Manual, mermaid lions, etc. That's just goofy. Denying that or saying that the inclusion of a Mardi Gras-style adventure, cooking competition, or fairy carnival is somehow goofier than all of that . . . just seems disingenuous to me. You might not have played the game in a goofy way . . . but it sure had quite a few goofy things in it. Probably as much as (if not more than) recent D&amp;D 5e books. Especially given that a lot of the people complaining about goofiness in recent books haven't actually read them and are just overblowing small parts of the book that they just saw online.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Levistus's_Leviathan, post: 8615481, member: 7023887"] Ice cream flavors are a matter of taste. Whether or not things are goofy is slightly subjective, but not subjective to the point where you can deny that many of the things that would be labeled goofy about modern D&D have been around for a very long time in the hobby. No one would deny that Terry Pratchett's Discworld books are goofy. That's just a fact. Literally everyone on the face of the planet can agree with that. Terry Pratchett would agree with that if he was alive. That's kind of a major aspect of Discworld. I think the same applies to much of early D&D. Planescape, Spelljammer, Flumphs, Owlbears, the original beholder art, the cover of the 1e Monster Manual, mermaid lions, etc. That's just goofy. Denying that or saying that the inclusion of a Mardi Gras-style adventure, cooking competition, or fairy carnival is somehow goofier than all of that . . . just seems disingenuous to me. You might not have played the game in a goofy way . . . but it sure had quite a few goofy things in it. Probably as much as (if not more than) recent D&D 5e books. Especially given that a lot of the people complaining about goofiness in recent books haven't actually read them and are just overblowing small parts of the book that they just saw online. [/QUOTE]

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