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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8616160" data-attributes="member: 7023887">Doesn't mean that they're not human. They just don't have an afterlife. They're like non-D&D humans. When we die, we die. The fact that they don't have souls doesn't mean that they aren't human or can't suffer. You're wrong. Just wrong. As I've said before, I've read every official D&D 5e book. Human suffering has been a major part of recent D&D 5e adventures and settings. Even more so than many earlier adventures (Princes of the Apocalypse, Storm King's Thunder, and Tyranny of Dragons were more "save the world"-style adventures than "end human suffering", which has been a motivating factor for Icewind Dale, Netherdeep, Descent into Avernus, Tomb of Annihilation, and quite a few other adventures more than "save the world"). Is depiction in art a necessity for human suffering to be a part of those books? As far as I know, something doesn't suddenly start existing inside a book once there's a bit of art depicting it. The goalpost is "does the book depict human suffering?" not "does the book have art depicting human suffering?" And the answer to both of those questions is yes.I don't know about Van Richtens, but I know there is art of Jander Sunstar being tortured on a tree in Descent into Avernus. That's depiction of human suffering (or vampire suffering) in the art. Icewind Dale has art of a wizard being burnt at a stake with townsfolk crowding around it to warm up as the wizard screams in pain. Netherdeep has art of how Ruidium is slowly killing people corrupted by their bodies with red crystals and boils. That's all depictions of human suffering in art.</blockquote>

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