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<blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8617912" data-attributes="member: 7023887"><p>This seems that it's becoming a theme.</p><p></p><p>You say "WotC would never do X thing"</p><p></p><p>Then someone (usually me) says "Actually, they already did something like that"</p><p></p><p>Then you reply "Yes, but I didn't like that for Y reason"</p><p></p><p>So, it's not that they've never done the genres/themes that you like . . . it's just that you disliked every instance of them doing that thing for reasons unconnected to the genres/themes themselves.</p><p></p><p>You like Sword and Sorcery-style campaigns, right? Ghosts of Saltmarsh, Tales from the Yawning Portal, Tomb of Annihilation, and Dungeon of the Mad Mage fulfill much of that genre's themes. Rime of the Frostmaiden has a lot of these themes, too.</p><p></p><p>You like grimdark/dystopias, right? Ravenloft has that covered. Descent into Avernus has most of that covered. Just ignore the possible redemption of Zariel, and drive home how awful the realm is. Kill Lulu the Hollyphant, or something like that, to demonstrate how irredeemable and awful the realm is.</p><p></p><p>It's not that WotC actually have never done Sword and Sorcery-style adventures in 5e yet . . . or that they haven't done dystopias/grimdark in 5e yet . . . it's just that you're dismissing and rejecting the examples that have been brought up. Mostly for arbitrary/extremely subjective reasons (whatever the hell "visual hook" or "the presentation left something wanting" means).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Levistus's_Leviathan, post: 8617912, member: 7023887"] This seems that it's becoming a theme. You say "WotC would never do X thing" Then someone (usually me) says "Actually, they already did something like that" Then you reply "Yes, but I didn't like that for Y reason" So, it's not that they've never done the genres/themes that you like . . . it's just that you disliked every instance of them doing that thing for reasons unconnected to the genres/themes themselves. You like Sword and Sorcery-style campaigns, right? Ghosts of Saltmarsh, Tales from the Yawning Portal, Tomb of Annihilation, and Dungeon of the Mad Mage fulfill much of that genre's themes. Rime of the Frostmaiden has a lot of these themes, too. You like grimdark/dystopias, right? Ravenloft has that covered. Descent into Avernus has most of that covered. Just ignore the possible redemption of Zariel, and drive home how awful the realm is. Kill Lulu the Hollyphant, or something like that, to demonstrate how irredeemable and awful the realm is. It's not that WotC actually have never done Sword and Sorcery-style adventures in 5e yet . . . or that they haven't done dystopias/grimdark in 5e yet . . . it's just that you're dismissing and rejecting the examples that have been brought up. Mostly for arbitrary/extremely subjective reasons (whatever the hell "visual hook" or "the presentation left something wanting" means). [/QUOTE]
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