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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Paraxis" data-source="post: 3841073" data-attributes="member: 13009">Shushhh ...."This whole thing about WoW and 4e just strikes me as much ado about nothing."--BishmonThat was going to be the overall point I was trying to make with the thread.  It is much ado about nothing, fantasy gaming is fantasy gaming of course there will be crossover.  I could compare Lord of the Rings, Warhammer, Warcraft, Diablo, D&D, Hackmaster, Slayers (anime), and Game of Thrones (novel) and draw alot of comparisons.Still some things make do a double take--Knight class out of PHB2 having a form of agro managment for instance, but overall anything that does not kill D&D makes it stronger.But back to comparing WOW and D&D.  I didn't know about the Draenei being reformed demons that makes it even sound more like Tieflings to me.Ohh, and second the idea of another Diablo 2 source book for 4E.  I loved that game, and the idea of runes, tons of random mods on magic items, and the whole feel of it should just be ported over to some type of source book.  Just leave out the Cow Level.I actualy get the feeling that traps in 4E will be more like the statues that fire balls of fire at you while you fight other monsters, then they are now.  I expect traps to be something that happens in the middle of fights not just on the chest or door after the fight.</blockquote>