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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Orcus" data-source="post: 3842298" data-attributes="member: 1254">I'm not a huge WoW fan. I dont like the "cartoony-ness." But that doesnt mean I dont like MMOs. I am currently massively addicted to Lord of the Rings Online. And I think there is a TON that table top D&D can learn from these types of games.I see their influence in 4E:1. party roles (very MMO).2. a little power bump at 1st level--not just 5 hit points.3. wider level spread (50 in Lotro, 60+ in WoW) vs. 12 in 1-2E and 20 in 3E now 30 in 4E.4. my guess is that you will level a bit quicker to about level 8 or so, like the way WoW/Lotro gets you to level 10 pertty fast. 5. Get something every level.6. More interesting powered abilities for all classes--incorporate moves and other abilities to really help define the class7. advanceable monsters--you can fight orcs at early levels and at higher levels8. elites and signatures, etc. 9. terminology--someone already mentioned this and it is true. the way we talk about fantasy roleplaying is being influenced by MMOs.Frankly, I think there is a lot for D&D to learn from MMOs (not just WoW, which I think people use because it has such a bad rap--too young, too anime, too lowest common denominator, too much about phat lootz, etc). The one thing that MMOs can do is simply log the hours of gaming in a controlled environment to see what works and doesnt work. There is no hiding a weakness of a class or a mechanic or a rule in MMOs. There are thousands of people online playing it all the time in a way the D&D just doesnt get tested. And the lessons learned from that is invaluable. And there are things that MMOs can do that D&D will never be able to do well--the statistical complexity of effects and things is crazy and a computer can calculate on the fly effects and things that would grind a table top game group to a 20 minute halt.That said, the table top experience of a computer DM will always be a different experience from a tabletop game. And there are some things a MMO does because it is not a table top RPG. As long as we keep those things in mind, I think there is a ton that can be learned from MMOs.Clark</blockquote>

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