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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6686145" data-attributes="member: 996">You can infer what you want from the limited data publically available.&nbsp; Infering 15 million of D&amp;D for a 10mil increase in the whole industry is a bit much, but, whatever, we have so little to go on, you could even be right with that guess.&nbsp; Keep positive, right?&nbsp;It might well be beating both.&nbsp; '89 was post-fad, and it's not like we have hard data.&nbsp; WotC has kept implying that each new ed beat the one before, so it could very well have beat 3.x, since WotC would have solid numbers on that. &nbsp;It seems they have:&nbsp; back to number one for the whole year D&amp;D has been out.&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't doubt that 5e opened bigger than Pathfinder.&nbsp; Pathfinder, at release, didn't beat out D&amp;D a year in (though release is always strongest), while 5e presumably beat out the prior ed at release, putting it well ahead of Pathfinder in that sense, as well as in the sense of beating it for the number 1 spot for the last year. Maybe, with only 3 books out for 1 year, they haven't moved more books than Pathfinder has at a book a month and more for six years, if that's what you mean.&nbsp; Paizo has some very loyal fans, even sells on a subscription basis - that has to move a lot of units over time.&nbsp; But, then, if you're going to compare whole runs, might as well compare Pathfinder's whole run to D&amp;D's whole run. ;P</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6686145, member: 996"] You can infer what you want from the limited data publically available. Infering 15 million of D&D for a 10mil increase in the whole industry is a bit much, but, whatever, we have so little to go on, you could even be right with that guess. Keep positive, right? It might well be beating both. '89 was post-fad, and it's not like we have hard data. WotC has kept implying that each new ed beat the one before, so it could very well have beat 3.x, since WotC would have solid numbers on that. It seems they have: back to number one for the whole year D&D has been out. I don't doubt that 5e opened bigger than Pathfinder. Pathfinder, at release, didn't beat out D&D a year in (though release is always strongest), while 5e presumably beat out the prior ed at release, putting it well ahead of Pathfinder in that sense, as well as in the sense of beating it for the number 1 spot for the last year. Maybe, with only 3 books out for 1 year, they haven't moved more books than Pathfinder has at a book a month and more for six years, if that's what you mean. Paizo has some very loyal fans, even sells on a subscription basis - that has to move a lot of units over time. But, then, if you're going to compare whole runs, might as well compare Pathfinder's whole run to D&D's whole run. ;P [/QUOTE]

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