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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9393536" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Let us say that someone in the ancient world believed that no one could lie while standing in the sacred circle. Is that the exact same, and going to have the exact same effects, as the fact that Zone of Truth completely prevents someone from lying and tells anyone using it that people are not effected by it? Let us say that in the ancient world, they believed that if you slept under fern leaves that you would be cured of disease. Is that the exact same, and going to have the exact same effects, as the fact that Lesser Restoration completely purges a body of disease? I say... no. Because a real effect that really happens as a concrete fact, has more of an effect than people just thinking something works. It doesn't matter how much magical thinking is involved if you can't actually produce results. And if you can actually produce results, those results can change things.</blockquote>