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<blockquote data-quote="kenmarable" data-source="post: 7722075" data-attributes="member: 40359"><p>To touch on a few of those points:</p><p></p><p>1) Microtransactions - These are really an annoying problem for games that use this as an ongoing and primary means of revenue. That is not true here. They are not making you pay $1.99 anytime you want a magic item. It was an option offered after people requested it. If someone is mainly playing just one character or two, they said they did not want to buy the entire DMG just to have a magic item. So it’s perfect for them. More common example might be buying a single race rather than all of Volo’s Guide. A lot of people in Adventurer’s League will only want a few options and not every book. It’s not for everyone, but it is for some people. Plus, each purchase goes towards the cost of the full book (sort of like “Complete my album” with iTunes - also added at the request of people). So if you are going to use more than a handful of magic items, then just buy the book. These aren’t even close to the same realm as the micro transaction based games were you have to keep paying $5 here and there week after week, month after month, year after year in order for you to viably play the game (and the business to viably survive). It’s an entirely different system, and one I’d guess would be pretty rarely used, but handy for the handful of people who want it and requested it.</p><p></p><p>2) They are owned by Twitch. Why wouldn’t they require a Twitch login rather than creating an entirely separate one? And like Ristamar said, at least it’s not a Facebook login. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue :P" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /> *blech*</p><p></p><p>3) It doesn’t have to be a competition between ebooks and hardcovers. Both are viable options for many people. Some prefer ebooks, some prefer hardcovers, some prefer both. Personally, I gave a reason above why I prefer ebooks that has nothing to do with “choosing not to play D&D because there are books.” Where did you hear that? No one claimed that to my knowledge. Even if hardcovers outsell ebooks, that doesn’t mean an ebook market is not existant. Not to mention the utility of full Compendium searches and integration into the tool sets - there are benefits here that a lot of people are willing to pay for. Maybe it’s not for you. Doesn’t mean there’s no market at all.</p><p></p><p>4) I just mentioned in my comment you quoted how 1 customer (me) is helping to pull in a half dozen new gamers with this product. I’m sure I’m not alone and others will be drawn in as well for various reasons. Just because you fail to see it doesn’t mean we don’t exist. Again “not for you” =/= “there’s no market.”</p><p></p><p>5) I agree that a lot more can be done with technology and gaming, but if you think this is just “images of books” then you haven’t looked at it at all. May not be for you, but it is certainly more than just “images of books” and has potential for even more growth into greater utility.</p><p></p><p>I guess it will come down to whether there are enough people like me who want a system like this. Considering how many put down almost $300 today for buying all of the books on first day (at a discount, which yet again, they added at the request of the fans), I’m thinking Curse will be alright. </p><p></p><p>FYI: Curse has been excessively responsive to fan requests. Most features I see someone complain about is something someone else specifically requested and they added - and nearly always as an additional option on top of the existing options.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kenmarable, post: 7722075, member: 40359"] To touch on a few of those points: 1) Microtransactions - These are really an annoying problem for games that use this as an ongoing and primary means of revenue. That is not true here. They are not making you pay $1.99 anytime you want a magic item. It was an option offered after people requested it. If someone is mainly playing just one character or two, they said they did not want to buy the entire DMG just to have a magic item. So it’s perfect for them. More common example might be buying a single race rather than all of Volo’s Guide. A lot of people in Adventurer’s League will only want a few options and not every book. It’s not for everyone, but it is for some people. Plus, each purchase goes towards the cost of the full book (sort of like “Complete my album” with iTunes - also added at the request of people). So if you are going to use more than a handful of magic items, then just buy the book. These aren’t even close to the same realm as the micro transaction based games were you have to keep paying $5 here and there week after week, month after month, year after year in order for you to viably play the game (and the business to viably survive). It’s an entirely different system, and one I’d guess would be pretty rarely used, but handy for the handful of people who want it and requested it. 2) They are owned by Twitch. Why wouldn’t they require a Twitch login rather than creating an entirely separate one? And like Ristamar said, at least it’s not a Facebook login. :P *blech* 3) It doesn’t have to be a competition between ebooks and hardcovers. Both are viable options for many people. Some prefer ebooks, some prefer hardcovers, some prefer both. Personally, I gave a reason above why I prefer ebooks that has nothing to do with “choosing not to play D&D because there are books.” Where did you hear that? No one claimed that to my knowledge. Even if hardcovers outsell ebooks, that doesn’t mean an ebook market is not existant. Not to mention the utility of full Compendium searches and integration into the tool sets - there are benefits here that a lot of people are willing to pay for. Maybe it’s not for you. Doesn’t mean there’s no market at all. 4) I just mentioned in my comment you quoted how 1 customer (me) is helping to pull in a half dozen new gamers with this product. I’m sure I’m not alone and others will be drawn in as well for various reasons. Just because you fail to see it doesn’t mean we don’t exist. Again “not for you” =/= “there’s no market.” 5) I agree that a lot more can be done with technology and gaming, but if you think this is just “images of books” then you haven’t looked at it at all. May not be for you, but it is certainly more than just “images of books” and has potential for even more growth into greater utility. I guess it will come down to whether there are enough people like me who want a system like this. Considering how many put down almost $300 today for buying all of the books on first day (at a discount, which yet again, they added at the request of the fans), I’m thinking Curse will be alright. FYI: Curse has been excessively responsive to fan requests. Most features I see someone complain about is something someone else specifically requested and they added - and nearly always as an additional option on top of the existing options. [/QUOTE]
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