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<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8522805" data-attributes="member: 84112">except the fact that again this is already a change (something that needs to be spelled out at session 0) and we have 2 years until the new PHB comes out... how much more CAN they stack before you call it an edition change?wow... I can't consider it cheating or else I couldn't play with other DMs at my table... and I couldn't play at other DMs tables.22 years ago I would have agreed. back then I was running and playing 2e. one subset of friends called there games 3e (they used combat and tactics, skills and powers and a thirsd X and X I never remeber) then I switch to 3e from wotc and lost a few players who didn't want to &quot;play magic the gathering lite rp game&quot;&nbsp; the funn part is 7-8years later we (the group that did go 3/3.5) had grown to so huge a group we physically had trouble all being in the same game (almost 30 of us at max) and we all got sick of 3e D&amp;D... so most of us had been moving on to whole other systems (not D20 at all) but the few of us that would still have a hold out D&amp;D game every 2 weeks where useing SO many optiona; and house rules just to make us able to play... then came 4e, and the biggest split. It didn't happen right away. To start some of us tried 4e while others stayd at 'other systems' but no one stayed at 3e. Then pizao started the pathfinder push and some wanted the group to go 4e and some wanted to go PF... arguments made even just talking about games hard. the group splintered some (me) went to 4e some went to PF, and some left TTRPG entirely over the split. so as much as I would like to think that it is me as a pereson/DM... I know from personal experence that the same player that would jump at me running 5e, would never want to play WoD, and another wouldn't want to play 5e at all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8522805, member: 84112"] except the fact that again this is already a change (something that needs to be spelled out at session 0) and we have 2 years until the new PHB comes out... how much more CAN they stack before you call it an edition change? wow... I can't consider it cheating or else I couldn't play with other DMs at my table... and I couldn't play at other DMs tables. 22 years ago I would have agreed. back then I was running and playing 2e. one subset of friends called there games 3e (they used combat and tactics, skills and powers and a thirsd X and X I never remeber) then I switch to 3e from wotc and lost a few players who didn't want to "play magic the gathering lite rp game" the funn part is 7-8years later we (the group that did go 3/3.5) had grown to so huge a group we physically had trouble all being in the same game (almost 30 of us at max) and we all got sick of 3e D&D... so most of us had been moving on to whole other systems (not D20 at all) but the few of us that would still have a hold out D&D game every 2 weeks where useing SO many optiona; and house rules just to make us able to play... then came 4e, and the biggest split. It didn't happen right away. To start some of us tried 4e while others stayd at 'other systems' but no one stayed at 3e. Then pizao started the pathfinder push and some wanted the group to go 4e and some wanted to go PF... arguments made even just talking about games hard. the group splintered some (me) went to 4e some went to PF, and some left TTRPG entirely over the split. so as much as I would like to think that it is me as a pereson/DM... I know from personal experence that the same player that would jump at me running 5e, would never want to play WoD, and another wouldn't want to play 5e at all. [/QUOTE]

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