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<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8523056" data-attributes="member: 84112">okay, so you don't think they made new rules to replace old ones?and again... this is now going forward the new way they do things. Nothing invaladated 1e, or 2e, or 3e, or 3.5, or 4e... we just got new ways fo doing things going forward... the fact that you still own your 1e book doesn't make 1e into 5e.i akcknoladge and disagreeor you are arguing just to argue...so by this train of thought since nothing 5e did replaced a rule from 4e, it just was a new variant going forward it is not a new edition... we both know that isn't true. now we can address weather these changes themselves make it a new edition, or if they point to larger changes... but can we please not act like going forward they are going to just be a variant rule like &quot;how long a rest is&quot;feats are optional... so adventures can be run with or without feats.&nbsp; How long a rest is had varriant rules... both have defualt rules (no feats, and 1hr/8hrs) if they change the defualt to be yes feats are always in and rests are now 5 min short rests and 1 hour long rests, then going forward that is a change.if a new way of doiung something is put forward, and it is now the assumed defualt, how is that not a change?if tomorrow they put out a new book where instead of rolling 1d20 everyone rolls 1d12+1d8 and you only crit on BOTH a nat 12 and a Nat 8 but only crit fail on 2 nat 1s.... well then that is just variant not a change? Again, you are reading things here that are not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8523056, member: 84112"] okay, so you don't think they made new rules to replace old ones? and again... this is now going forward the new way they do things. Nothing invaladated 1e, or 2e, or 3e, or 3.5, or 4e... we just got new ways fo doing things going forward... the fact that you still own your 1e book doesn't make 1e into 5e. i akcknoladge and disagree or you are arguing just to argue... so by this train of thought since nothing 5e did replaced a rule from 4e, it just was a new variant going forward it is not a new edition... we both know that isn't true. now we can address weather these changes themselves make it a new edition, or if they point to larger changes... but can we please not act like going forward they are going to just be a variant rule like "how long a rest is" feats are optional... so adventures can be run with or without feats. How long a rest is had varriant rules... both have defualt rules (no feats, and 1hr/8hrs) if they change the defualt to be yes feats are always in and rests are now 5 min short rests and 1 hour long rests, then going forward that is a change. if a new way of doiung something is put forward, and it is now the assumed defualt, how is that not a change? if tomorrow they put out a new book where instead of rolling 1d20 everyone rolls 1d12+1d8 and you only crit on BOTH a nat 12 and a Nat 8 but only crit fail on 2 nat 1s.... well then that is just variant not a change? Again, you are reading things here that are not. [/QUOTE]

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