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<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8523972" data-attributes="member: 84112">yes and I will not be the only one... if WotC (as I am repeatedly told in this and similar threads) have a goal of not splitting the fan base, then that is a problem and this is just a new fracture in the edition war.okay this seems disingenuous.&nbsp; Are you telling me you believe that the new PHB they are working on, and the new race rules we have seen and the surveys about class modifications are unrelated?That sounds like what I said in the last thread on this... standing in the middle of the road, and getting hit by cars going both ways.I know this wasn't directed at me, but I have a serious question that YOU just framed perfectly.&nbsp; If I somehow framed my discussion in the ultimate argument of logic, would it change your mind? What would it take to make you step back and look at things from a different POV?Now I assume me, you Micha all SHOULD have the same answer here... &quot;Yeah, just nobody has convinced me yet.&quot; the problem is, we have been for days going all around on this and none of us have changed our minds... so does that just mean we are so dug in this is it?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8523972, member: 84112"] yes and I will not be the only one... if WotC (as I am repeatedly told in this and similar threads) have a goal of not splitting the fan base, then that is a problem and this is just a new fracture in the edition war. okay this seems disingenuous. Are you telling me you believe that the new PHB they are working on, and the new race rules we have seen and the surveys about class modifications are unrelated? That sounds like what I said in the last thread on this... standing in the middle of the road, and getting hit by cars going both ways. I know this wasn't directed at me, but I have a serious question that YOU just framed perfectly. If I somehow framed my discussion in the ultimate argument of logic, would it change your mind? What would it take to make you step back and look at things from a different POV? Now I assume me, you Micha all SHOULD have the same answer here... "Yeah, just nobody has convinced me yet." the problem is, we have been for days going all around on this and none of us have changed our minds... so does that just mean we are so dug in this is it? [/QUOTE]

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