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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8524776" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So, based on all the information we have these changes affect no one beyond spellcasters using Counterspell in a purely negative manner. Changing CR doesn't change anything for players. And the Racial options are a rebalance, but the old versions are still imminently usable, and in the case of many abilities a flat improvement. Like the Earth Genasi getting bonus action Blade Ward Prof times per day.This is a change in design philosophy. That is blatantly obvious. What it is not is a completely new design. This design has existed, it simply wasn't as wide-spread. And even if the designers announced this was 6e... people would complain about the changes made to the game if you tried to implement it. The type of people you are describing aren't complaining about not knowing about the changes ahead of time. They are complaining that the changes occurred at all, and that it doesn't fit their preconceived notions. So again, nothing about what you are proposing (people complaining because the encounter doesn't meet their expectations) is a design problem.And yet limiting spellcasting while giving magical actions that can be repeated is not an individual change and is instead a systematic overhaul? Based on what? I don't expect Trolls to change with this new design. I don't expect Bodaks to change with this new design. I don't expect the Champion to change with this design. This only affects spellcasting monsters. That is a limited subsetWhen was the last time anyone seriously used CR in a discussion in these forums? CR has been notoriously inaccurate for years. Saying "CR is off" is like saying "it gets dark at night". We all know. And if people begin an edition war because different books list different CR values... then they would start an edition war over anything. This seems like fear mongering more than a real problem.I disagree. It is trivially easy to say that you are using the Multiverse Warpriest instead of the Volo's Warpriest. Just like you say if you are using Eberron Orcs instead of Grey Orcs. It is trivial to say you are using the Multiverse Goblin PC race instead of Volo's Goblin PC race, just like you say you are using Aerni High Elves instead of PHB High Elves. But it all still uses the same basic math, the same basic assumptions, and can be used interchangeable. Calling this 6th edition would make it sound like they are completely incompatible, and the exact opposite is true.</blockquote>

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