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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 7357151">This whole discussion is rather pedantic at this point really.&nbsp; Confusing various black birds is a common attitude, most people just honestly don't know better.&nbsp; Unfortunately doctorbadwolf is unwilling to concede that simple point.&nbsp; At this point further discussion is pointness.&nbsp; doctorbadwolf knows he's wrong, but he's not going to admit it, another common attitude among humans.Ravenloft has ravens not crows.&nbsp; It's in the name RAVENloft.&nbsp; Unfortunately they are this oddly tangential element that are both extremely important in the fight against Strahd and necessary for several important exposition elements within the story.&nbsp; They're also somehow the representative animal of the remnants of the Worshippers of Andral, a sun god, a type of deity that ravens are almost never associated with.&nbsp; But none of this is explained or even rationalized out with &quot;people just got it wrong&quot; because several of these talking ravens are also high level clerics of this sun god.&nbsp; The origin of these sentient ravens is also equally unexplained, they just exist in Ravenloft for some apparent reason, even though Barovia in particular was brought in from outside by the Dark Powers and the ravenkin were not present in &quot;real world&quot; Barovia.&nbsp; If they were something created by the Dark Powers to torment Strahd that's just odd.&nbsp; Even if they were humans cursed into raven forms would make more sense but nooooooooo....It's just silly.&nbsp; It's all sorts of silly.&nbsp; It's poorly written silly.&nbsp; It's like someone wrote up this dark, gothic horror setting and then said &quot;You know what this needs!?&nbsp; Disney-esque talking animals!&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 7357151"] This whole discussion is rather pedantic at this point really. Confusing various black birds is a common attitude, most people just honestly don't know better. [I]Unfortunately[/I] doctorbadwolf is unwilling to concede that simple point. At this point further discussion is pointness. doctorbadwolf [I]knows[/I] he's wrong, but he's not going to admit it, [I]another[/I] common attitude among humans. Ravenloft has [I]ravens[/I] not crows. It's in the name [B]RAVEN[/B]loft. Unfortunately they are this oddly tangential element that are both extremely important in the fight against Strahd and necessary for several important exposition elements within the story. They're also somehow the representative animal of the remnants of the Worshippers of Andral, a [I]sun[/I] god, a type of deity that ravens are almost [I]never[/I] associated with. But none of this is explained or even rationalized out with "people just got it wrong" because several of these talking ravens are also [I]high level clerics[/I] of this sun god. The origin of these sentient ravens is also equally unexplained, they just exist in Ravenloft for some apparent reason, even though Barovia in particular was brought in from outside by the Dark Powers and the ravenkin were not present in "real world" Barovia. If they were something created by the Dark Powers to torment Strahd that's just odd. Even if they were humans cursed into raven forms would make more sense but nooooooooo.... It's just silly. It's all sorts of silly. It's poorly written silly. It's like someone wrote up this dark, gothic horror setting and then said "You know what this needs!? Disney-esque talking animals!" [/QUOTE]

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