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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 8632838" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>This is weird.</p><p></p><p>2e EXPLICITLY was stated by the designers to be able to GRANDFATHER ANYTHING from 1e that was desired. If you wanted it from 1e...it was in 2e. </p><p></p><p>There were no restrictions.</p><p></p><p>In that light, 2e WAS 1e if one wanted it to be.</p><p></p><p>TSR just stopped selling the 1e stuff, but if you had it and wanted it in your game, it was OFFICIALLY approved to be in the game, at least up until the PO books. </p><p></p><p>No idea why anyone is arguing that 1e and 2e were not compatible.</p><p></p><p>As for T.H.A.C.0</p><p></p><p>That is the abbreviation for what was utilized in the DMG (as pointed out before....To Hit A.C. 0, or To Hit Armor Class 0). It's the SAME thing, just using the abbreviation.</p><p></p><p>That's like saying the U.S.A. did not exist before 1900 because the abbreviation was not in use and they used the United States of America instead.</p><p></p><p>Or that the U.K. does not officially exist because official documents call it the United Kingdom instead.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I enjoyed 4e as much as the next guy over. I liked it. I still have copies of the books. </p><p></p><p>5e takes a LOT of stuff from 4e (more than many realize, more than some will admit) and in some ways, they focused some central tenets of 4e into a more concentrated form within 5e. </p><p></p><p>What they took away in many areas was the CHOICE of power you got. Basically, simplifying everything in 4e down to it's more basic and component parts. </p><p></p><p>I find it ironic how people praise 5e as being more like 3e or going back further (it is in NO way compatible with older editions) because 5e IS built upon a 4e base, but simplified down (instead of a Bounded bonus going to +15, it is only up to +6...though technically it could be +9 if the game went up to 30th level instead).</p><p></p><p>It didn't follow the path that many 4e gamers would have preferred though. </p><p></p><p>You could see the beginning of the simplification in Heroes of the Fallen Lands though, and it just continued (though far more strictly in how deep the cuts were). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I suppose that is true, which would apply to the 1e and 2e items above as well. If you were at a table where they only used 2e rulebooks and didn't allow 1e stuff (though, a lot of 1e stuff was reprinted in different manuals, such as the 1e Ranger in the Ranger Book, the 1e Druid in the Druid book, the Monk and the Assassin in the Scarlet Brotherhood book...etc) the same would apply.</p><p></p><p>Actually, it would apply if you were at a 1e table and they didn't allow Unearthed Arcana to be used in a 1e game.</p><p></p><p>It could apply to a 5e game. I have tables where I run Basic rules only, though I may allow classes from the PHB, I won't allow feats. I may also not allow other books beyond the PHB so no Volo, no Xanathar's and no Tasha's. </p><p></p><p>Does that mean that the Supplemental books are no longer compatible with 5e?</p><p></p><p>I'm not so certain that simply not allowing someone to use information from a splatbook automatically means that splatbook is no longer compatible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 8632838, member: 4348"] This is weird. 2e EXPLICITLY was stated by the designers to be able to GRANDFATHER ANYTHING from 1e that was desired. If you wanted it from 1e...it was in 2e. There were no restrictions. In that light, 2e WAS 1e if one wanted it to be. TSR just stopped selling the 1e stuff, but if you had it and wanted it in your game, it was OFFICIALLY approved to be in the game, at least up until the PO books. No idea why anyone is arguing that 1e and 2e were not compatible. As for T.H.A.C.0 That is the abbreviation for what was utilized in the DMG (as pointed out before....To Hit A.C. 0, or To Hit Armor Class 0). It's the SAME thing, just using the abbreviation. That's like saying the U.S.A. did not exist before 1900 because the abbreviation was not in use and they used the United States of America instead. Or that the U.K. does not officially exist because official documents call it the United Kingdom instead. I enjoyed 4e as much as the next guy over. I liked it. I still have copies of the books. 5e takes a LOT of stuff from 4e (more than many realize, more than some will admit) and in some ways, they focused some central tenets of 4e into a more concentrated form within 5e. What they took away in many areas was the CHOICE of power you got. Basically, simplifying everything in 4e down to it's more basic and component parts. I find it ironic how people praise 5e as being more like 3e or going back further (it is in NO way compatible with older editions) because 5e IS built upon a 4e base, but simplified down (instead of a Bounded bonus going to +15, it is only up to +6...though technically it could be +9 if the game went up to 30th level instead). It didn't follow the path that many 4e gamers would have preferred though. You could see the beginning of the simplification in Heroes of the Fallen Lands though, and it just continued (though far more strictly in how deep the cuts were). I suppose that is true, which would apply to the 1e and 2e items above as well. If you were at a table where they only used 2e rulebooks and didn't allow 1e stuff (though, a lot of 1e stuff was reprinted in different manuals, such as the 1e Ranger in the Ranger Book, the 1e Druid in the Druid book, the Monk and the Assassin in the Scarlet Brotherhood book...etc) the same would apply. Actually, it would apply if you were at a 1e table and they didn't allow Unearthed Arcana to be used in a 1e game. It could apply to a 5e game. I have tables where I run Basic rules only, though I may allow classes from the PHB, I won't allow feats. I may also not allow other books beyond the PHB so no Volo, no Xanathar's and no Tasha's. Does that mean that the Supplemental books are no longer compatible with 5e? I'm not so certain that simply not allowing someone to use information from a splatbook automatically means that splatbook is no longer compatible. [/QUOTE]
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