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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 4540443" data-attributes="member: 32536">That "PR cheerleading" is nothing more than a statement of your bias. I may have been a bit dismissive of Mr. Gygax's words, but I never said that he was being deliberately deceitful, or that we should accept what WotC has to say without question.Also, you are backpedaling. You said earlier that data from WotC supports your argument. In fact, your argument regarding the statement by Mr Gygax only works if you also trust the statement by the WotC employee that the number of D&D players is "around 2 or 3 million". If you don't accept what they say as valid, then it actually does nothing but weaken your argument. You can't just accept their claims when they are convenient for you and dismiss them when they are not. You are right that I will discount those. Self-selecting internet polls are almost completely meaningless. I don't even see the need to look at your links. There are countless reasons that both the data in those polls, as well as your particular interpretation of that data, is deeply flawed. Of course, WalterKovacs made good arguments for why your interpretation is faulty already, so I don't see the need to address it myself.Also, as for my posts being "nothing"... You are just being rude. I have not done anything resembling such a personal attack against you, but here you are making implications that I am stuffing cotton in my ears and refusing to agree with you simply because I don't want to. You certainly won't get anyone to agree with you that way.I already made two different points with two different methods: a logical proof and an analogy to a similar pattern in a related game. If you want to counter either of my points and call them "nothing", then do the polite thing and address my arguments, rather than try to pretend I didn't make them and attack my motives.Anyways, since you have expressed the opinion that everything WotC tells is "PR cheerleading" that can't be trusted, the logical proof stands at this:1) Only WotC has access to all the relevant information regarding sales and popularity for the entire history of D&D.2) Specific information regarding sales data and market research is needed in order to prove a claim regarding relative popularity between different editions.3) Since WotC's statements can not be trusted, no one outside of WotC has access to this data.4) Given 1, 2, and 3, any claims regarding the relative popularity of different editions can not be proven by any party, even WotC (since they can't be trusted).Not trusting WotC really doesn't help your own stance very much...</blockquote>

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