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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kingreaper" data-source="post: 5824545" data-attributes="member: 83870">Come out with them then?Number 1 is the naive method. It's the method someone who's never approached the problem before will use, and eventually realise is incorrect.Number 2 is the correct method. It's the method anyone who's actually thought through the problem thoroughly will use.I said there are two plausible ways. If you can come up with another plausible way in which they might have done the calculation, do so.Yep, which is the right way to deal with those examples, because of the way the maths works out.I never mentioned 4E.Standard challenge isn't a 4E concept.So, umm, yeah.On any challenge where a diceroll of between 7 and 15 is required to succeed, their value is correct. To me, that seems like a "standard challenge", as opposed to an "easy challenge" or a "difficult challenge" hence me using the term.Look, it's quite clear you want to assume they're stupid. So just go on and do that. But don't try and pretend it's the logical conclusion.Anyone who looks at the facts can see that they clearly calculated it in the logical way and did their maths right.You, however, are willing to assume that they're incapable of maths that a 12-year old kid can do, simply so that you can call them stupid?Really?</blockquote>